On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Charles Bennett wrote: > > Hamas was already marked as a terrorist organization. > > Over the last 4 years Hamas has fired more that 4000 !! rockets into > southern Israel targeting civilians. > > 4 !...@#$ years...
The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel in 1946. The Stern Gang is described as follows in Wikipedia. "Lehi was described as a terrorist organization[4] by the British authorities and United Nations mediator Ralph Bunche.[5] Lehi carried out the Nov 1944 assassination in Cairo of Lord Moyne along with other attacks on the British authorities and Palestinian Arabs. The newly- formed Israeli government banned the organization under an anti- terrorism law passed three days after the Sept 1948 assassination of the UN mediator Folke Bernadotte.[6] Israel granted a general amnesty to Lehi members on 14 February 1949 and in 1980 the group was honored by the institution of the Lehi ribbon, a military decoration the organization's former members are entitled to wear." > > > If the Bush administration had fired missles into Canada for that many > years and canada finally fired back > then, yes, I'd blame the people in the US for supporting a terrorist > government. The Bush administration started firing missiles into Iraq in 2003. Iraq clearly never provoked us the way Israel has provoked Hamas. > > > > >> Palestinians who are being >> killed include children, Fatah supporters, and those who only >> supported >> Hamas because they were marginally competent and less >> corrupt. >> > > It is horrible. War is horrible. Women and children die, for no > reason other than they are unlucky enough to be in the wrong place. > > > OTOH, innocent Israeli women, children and other citizens have been > being attacked daily for 4 years. > > It's not do to lack of trying that Hamas has not been able to kill as > many Israelis as they would like. > It's that they just don't have the equipment YET. > > If they had the means you know they would kill as many Jews as they > possibly could as quickly as they could and they would target > civilians... > > Israel has no good reason to wait for them to obtain the means. > > > Then again, if you live in southern israel where you have 15 seconds > to get to a bomb shelter and have to do it TWICE a day > for years and years on end, I can imagine that you just might want > your government to make it stop by any means necessary. > > If my neighbor shot at my house twice a day for 6 years, terrorized my > wife and kids, and the police (UN) refused to step in and FORCE him > to stop > you can believe that sooner or later I'd go deal with it. > > If he promised to stop and then kept firing.. I'd kill him. > > You simply cannot negotiate with someone that wants you dead. > > Hamas wants Israel dead. Period. and they have the tacit support > of Syria and Iran. > > What sort of bargaining position should Israel take with someone like > that? There you go again. Somehow in your mind the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organization justifies everything Israel does but nothing Israel does justifies anything Hamas does. Nobody is defending Hamas or their backers in Iran. We are simply suggesting that for Israel and their US backers to pretend that their hands are completely clean is pure hypocrisy. It's simply false to say that Israel couldn't negotiate with Hamas. Hamas was willing to extend the cease fire in return for a lifting of the blockade. Today on 'This Week' Olmert started off with the Hamas wont negotiate line and when he was challenged reverted to the 'we can't trust them' line. And maybe it's true that Israel can't trust them. But the plain fact is that it wasn't Hamas who refused to negotiate. -- No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. -Turkish proverb _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
