On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Arno Hautala wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:50, LuKreme <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 30-Mar-2009, at 00:54, Kevin Callahan wrote: >>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/27/crabs.memorypain/index.html >> >> Erm... don't ALL animals feel pain? >> >> And plants too? > > I think they all "experience" pain, in that it triggers a response; > flee, defend, attack, etc. > This study identified the threshold of pain (electric current) > required to cause a crab to leave its shell. The researchers then > applied a level of current beneath the threshold and observed that > when offered a new shell, only those crabs that had been previously > shocked sought out the new shell. This demonstrates that the crabs > remembered the unpleasantness and even though they might otherwise > endure it, were compelled to seek to avoid the pain. > > I'd be very surprised if plants were found to experience anything more > than a basic "stimulus and response" mechanism.
There is a difference between base response and enough awareness to actively avoid painful situations based on prior experience. I take it that they measured the latter. > > The end of the article sounds like it's trending towards PETA > territory. > > "More research is needed in this area where a potentially very large > problem is being ignored," said Elwood. > "Legislation to protect crustaceans has been proposed but it is likely > to cover only scientific research. Millions of crustacean are caught > or reared in aquaculture for the food industry." > The end is BS. When it comes to survival things live and things die. There is nothing humane really about this fact. It is life. To stop eating shellfish because it hurts when they die is silly. We might as well stop eating altogether. --Larry _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
