On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2009, at 15:23, Charles Bennett wrote: >> Cancer? You want to be in the US > > Yeah, we acknowledge that you're the best at cancer; that's well- > known. What about the rest? > > Rather than go through and refute or confirm the rest of your point, > two questions: > > 1: Do you agree something needs doing? Absolutely. I think that portable health care, tort reform and a whole host of things can and need to be done in the area of affordable care. I also think we can do a better job of covering people that are not being covered now. If this trillion dollar debate is really about getting coverage to a small number of truly uninsured people then we can do that without the government intruding into everyone's life to this extent. > > 2: Have you read http://factcheck.org/ alongside your usual sources? Especially this one. False: The Bill Is Paid For I'm not arguing against reform. I'm arguing that the timing is wrong to make major government level changes without trying everything else first. Let's start with the parts we can afford. See how that goes. Add a few more. See how that goes. Perhaps wait and see if the country recovers or falls into a depression before making things that much worse by tossing 7% of the GDP into confusion. "The Census Bureau reports in the most recent data available (2003) that about 45 million Americans lack health coverage. An estimated 10 to 14 million of these uninsured Americans qualify for Medicaid or S- CHIP coverage but choose not to enroll. One-third of them, representing nearly 15 million people, live in households with annual incomes of $50,000 or above and half of those earn more than $75,000. " Census figures also show that 42 percent of the uninsured (18.8 million) are between the ages of 18 and 34. Households headed by individuals under age 35 spend 50 percent more on entertainment every year than on out-of-pocket health care expenses. " Perhaps they don't have health insurance because they want to spend it on beer? Why not, 18-34 is prime of life healthy. The big thing is this We have about 300 million people. Perhaps 20 million are "really" uninsured. Should we commit a trillion dollars and give the government a large roll in *all* our health care to reach them? I don't think it's worth it. Actually I worry that it's more about power than people. If all it is is health care, track them down and give them a medicare card. Way, way cheaper and it can be done with a 10 page bill, not a 1000 page one and it would pass easily. FYI, I actually went to one of the TEA parties to see for myself how much "astroturf" we are talking about. The people I saw, obviously drove themselves and looked like typical residents of southern ohio. Middle aged, to older, working class.. I'd guess 80% were middle to lower income and/or retired. Very few college age kids (but a couple) If this is typical of what is going on around the country, and I admit I have a sample of "1", then the Democrats call this" astruoturf" at their own 2010 election peril. There was a lot of red meat talk that would not survive "fact check" but the general mood of the people was anti-government, not anti- democrat, which kind of surprised me. The speakers also emphasized that this was about toss them all out of they didn't stick to their constitutional authority and no more.. I haven't seen people bothering to get involved like this is a long long time. I was laughing with a friend of mine. We had already decided that Obama was the firearm salesman of the year. (ammo too, try to buy 7.62 or 5.56mm right now) It just might be that he is also the Community Organizer of the year, but not the way he had in mind. Should be an interesting year. =c= > > -- > Jared Earle - [email protected] > http://jearle.eu/ - http://blog.23x.net/ > "All we have are these" "Sporks?" > > _______________________________________________ > OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] > http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters > List hosted at http://cat5.org/ “Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other– and your time is running out.” Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
