On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Charles Bennett wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: > >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: >> >>> On 31 Aug 2009, at 16:40, Charles Bennett wrote: >>>> I'm not arguing against reform. I'm arguing that the timing is >>>> wrong >>>> to make major government level changes without >>>> trying everything else first. >>> >>> Let's suggest that this is your one big chance at HCR, because it >>> won't happen under the Republicans. If you don't do it now, you've >>> got >>> a 16-year wait, effectively. Are you prepared to wait 16 years? >>> >>> What's the worst that can happen if HCR is passed? And don't say >>> you'll go broke, because you won't. >> >> The irony is the Nixon plan, a repub, would be rejected by today's >> repubs as socialism as well. I wish we had the days back when the >> parties could talk and not just have one go "NO NO NO NO". > > On this we agree. I read once that Reagan and Tipp O'neill would > give each other partisan hell all day then go have drinks after "work" > and talk about how they were going to work together to actually get > something done. > > I'd like to see that again. > > I would really like to see reform. The system actually needs it. > > It's like it's all a game on both sides. Neither cares about the > good of the country, they care about reelection, at best and their PAC > supporters at worst. > > I'm actually disgusted with them all.
What disgusts me the most is the ones yelling NO NO NO and going "No to gov't healthcare" but they eagerly use Medicare or the VA. The idea that the gov't is totally incompetent is a bullshit meme propagated by republicans to the point where it's become near impossible for anything to happen. If the gov't was as bad as they claimed then no public services would work. We'd have no sanitation, no utilities, nothing. It's the forced expectation of bad gov't services that has helped lead to the breakdown imho. The US once had a top notch infrastructure, education system and health care. It stagnated and broke down and is not being reformed because, in part, of the idea that gov't is useless. We do have those who lead, the problem is we have a media that doesn't care beyond short term $$, and the fact that most politicians are caught in a permanent election cycle. --Larry _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
