No, in my never to be humble opinion, it is not much different.  Some would 
argue there is a difference between an activity such as sorting silver ware and 
cone sorting  because one is recognizable task (taken out of its usual context) 
and the other is totally contrived task (at least I've never seen spontaneous 
cone stacking!),  but I maintain  that if the client finds no value in the 
activity then from a therapeutic perspective there isn't much difference.

Terrianne


Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED], now.com> wrote: Hey Terrianne:

I  love  the  Canadian  Model  of  Occupational  Performance! Thanks for
sharing  that  definition  from  the  Enabling Occupation book!! A great
resource for ALL OT's!!

Continuing  on with questions. In the context that we are discussing, is
sorting silverware any different than sorting cones/pegs?

I  FULLY  understand  that  if  a  patient  has  a  true goal of sorting
silverware  of  if sorting silverware is a subset of a higher level task
(making  a  meal)  and that patient has difficulty sorting, then this is
appropriate.  But  anythign  else  seems  like cones, just a little more
shiny .

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: Terrianne Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007
To:   OTlist@OTnow.com 
Subj: [OTlist] Occupational Deprivation

TJ> Hi Ron  and others-

TJ> I've been lurking and decided to jump in with the mention of occupational 
deprivation, and
TJ> your question Ron about assumptions with persons who cannot indicate they 
are truly  engaging
TJ> in occupation.   This question almost brings occupation to a philosophical 
level.  If
TJ> occupations are are defined as “activities …of everyday life, named, 
organized and given value
TJ> and meaning by individuals and a culture” (Law, Polatajko, &Townsend, 1997, 
p. 32), then can
TJ> we really ever know if a person is engaging in occupation  if they cannot 
tell us or somehow
TJ> indicate the value of the engagement?  In my opinion, we cannot, and thats 
ok.  Sometimes the
TJ> best we can offer our clients  who cannot tell us  whether or not they 
value an activity as an
TJ> occupation is an enjoyable experience that meets some physical or sensory 
need and  supports
TJ> their overall wellbeing.  But I don't think we can call  this occupation.  
According to the OT
TJ> practice frame work,  while occupation is the goal and main
TJ>  modality of the OT, there is also room when appropriate for purposeful 
actives (ie, sorting
TJ> silverware) if they enable participation in  other aspects of daily life.

TJ> Terrianne



TJ> Occupation is so subjective.  

TJ> Ron Carson  wrote: Man,  you write at an advanced level!! I THINK I
TJ> understand what you are
TJ> saying but if my response is way off base let me know.

TJ> Occupational  deprivation  is  a  common  age-associate malady. I see it
TJ> everyday  in  my  practice.  But,  IF  a  person  is unable to verbalize
TJ> (vocally  or  non-vocally) the meaning and worth of an engaged activity,
TJ> are we justified in assuming they are engaged in occupation?

TJ> I  understand  about  being  isolated. I work alone and have for several
TJ> years.  The  OTlist  is about the only place where I can freely exchange
TJ> ideas. I wish more subscribers would feel the same!

TJ> Ron



TJ> ----- Original Message -----
TJ> From: Joan Riches 
TJ> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007
TJ> To:   OTlist@OTnow.com 
TJ> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware?

JR>> Well - if occupation is what people do and occupation is idiosyncratic to
JR>> the person, then meaning seems to have many different levels. People at 
this
JR>> level certainly have emotions - and those emotions are often mitigated by a
JR>> sense of doing. Certainly we need the concept of occupational deprivation 
to
JR>> comprehend behaviour changes when opportunities 'to do' are provided.
JR>> Thank you to you. The list has been such a source of professional
JR>> connection.


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