On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:31 PM Han Zhou <hz...@ovn.org> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:23 PM Frode Nordahl <frode.nord...@canonical.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 9:20 PM Ilya Maximets <i.maxim...@ovn.org> wrote: > > > > > > On 10/5/23 19:31, Dumitru Ceara wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > On 9/22/23 09:19, Frode Nordahl wrote: > > > >> Hello Dumitru and Team, > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 5:25 PM Dumitru Ceara <dce...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> As you probably know and as the ovn.org website mentions [0] we have > > > >>> weekly OVN IRC meetings, in #openvswitch on irc.libera.chat (the time is > > > >>> slightly wrong but that's a different issue [1]). > > > >>> > > > >>> In my opinion these meetings are useful because we (well, anyone > > > >>> interested) can share status updates about what they currently work on > > > >>> in the OVN world. > > > >> > > > >> The weekly IRC meetings are indeed valuable, they are very useful for > > > >> coordinating ongoing community activities and highlighting/discussing > > > >> any issues that are not obvious across company barriers on a day to > > > >> day basis. > > > >> > > > >>> I wonder however if it would make sense to have an alternative technical > > > >>> meeting (it doesn't necessarily have to replace the weekly IRC one but > > > >>> it may) where slightly more in depth technical discussion can happen. > > > >>> I'm thinking of this as an optional first step that might happen before > > > >>> posting the first (RFC) version of a feature, for example. Or as a > > > >>> place where objectives for a new LTS can be defined from a community > > > >>> perspective. > > > >>> > > > >>> At the same time I wonder if such a meeting would be more effective if a > > > >>> different communication medium would be used (e.g., an online video > > > >>> conference system). > > > >>> > > > >>> In short, would a monthly (audio/video) technical community meeting > > > >>> sound like an interesting idea to you? > > > >> > > > >> Thank you for bringing this up. My immediate reaction is positive, an > > > >> audio/video meeting would carry more bandwidth for exchanging thoughts > > > >> and ideas on any topic discussed. If we manage to create a safe space > > > >> for bouncing not necessarily fully thought through ideas off each > > > >> other, it could be quite powerful. > > > >> > > > >> I'm wondering a bit about the cadence though, IIUC the examples of > > > >> potential topics to discuss fall into the planning ahead category. > > > >> Would it perhaps make sense to have these meetings before the start of > > > >> each development cycle, i.e. a set of meetings every 6 months or so, > > > >> perhaps with touch points in between? > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm going to try to summarize the points/concerns that were raised > > > > so far in this email thread and during the IRC meetings. Please > > > > do correct me if I missed or mis-interpreted something. > > > > > > > > - there seems to be positive reaction from the community to the > > > > proposal of having an occasional A/V technical community > > > > meeting. > > > > > > > > - there's a request to not replace the IRC weekly (that should > > > > stay weekly and be used for informal status updates). > > > > > > > > - the cadence of this new community meeting is not yet agreed > > > > upon: > > > > - there were a few suggestions to have a monthly meeting > > > > with a pre-defined agenda and with the option of > > > > cancelling the meeting if there's not enough to talk > > > > about. > > > > - an alternative would be to have these technical meetings > > > > at the beginning of each development cycle (every ~6 months) > > > > with an option of ad-hoc touching points in between. > > > > > > > > - there was a suggestion of recording the meetings and posting > > > > the recordings to ovn.org. Personally I'm not sure I'd favor > > > > that; the reason being that I think it might cause people to > > > > be more reluctant to join. I'm OK either way though. Related > > > > to this point, there was a suggestion to take and share > > > > meeting notes. > > > > > > > > - we briefly discussed about the medium to use and, at least > > > > during the IRC meeting, it seemed like Google Meet would > > > > be an OK option for now. > > > > Thank you for summarizing, your account above resonates with my > > perspective on the discussions so far as well. > > > > > > With all this in mind and (luckily) because we're at the > > > > beginning of the 24.03 development cycle, my suggestion > > > > would be to schedule a first community A/V technical meeting > > > > with two agenda items: > > > > > > > > 1. What new features or relevant changes does the community > > > > think are important to have in the next release (24.03.0)? > > > > 2. Decide on a cadence for the technical meetings. > > > > > > > > Here are some proposals for dates and times for a first > > > > meeting. Please reply with a list of what works best for > > > > you, preferably best options first. Alternative suggestions > > > > are also fine. > > > > > > > > Monday October 23rd 3PM UTC / 8PM PDT > > > > Tuesday October 24th 3PM UTC / 8PM PDT > > > > Monday October 23rd 7PM UTC / 12PM PDT > > > > Monday October 30th 3PM UTC / 8PM PDT (this is just before the ovn-k8s community meeting) > > > > > > FWIW, 3PM UTC on any Monday sounds fine to me. > > > > > > Monday 7PM is the second best, but not particularly desirable. :) > > > And I may have a conflict on Tuesdays on and off. > > > > 3PM UTC Monday works for me too, I'm traveling October 30th though. > > > > 3PM UTC Mondays work for me, too. > Sorry I just realized that there can be a conflict for me for Monday 3PM UTC, if this meeting is longer than 30min. Do you have an idea how long it should be? If it is longer than 30min, Monday 7PM UTC may be a better option for me at least according to my current calendar. Monday 3PM UTC might still be a second option (if no other choice), but I might have to drop after 30min. Alternatively, can we replace that week's Thursday meeting with this one? I know that we agreed this meeting shouldn't replace the weekly status update, but since this meeting happens less frequently and only replaces ~1/4 of the weekly meeting, I hope it is fine, if the Thursday time slot is good for most people.
Thanks, Han > Han > > > -- > > Frode Nordahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can share a Google Meet invite link as soon as we agree > > > > on the best time for this first meeting. We can decide > > > > about recording the meeting/taking notes on the spot in > > > > the beginning of the meeting. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dumitru > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ dev mailing list d...@openvswitch.org https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-dev
