yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe
On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. > There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as > cited, there was plenty of people "informed" who thought it would be an > upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not > as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that > guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references > to what made your guess informed. > > Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead > donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so > shocked anymore ;) > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" > | > |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have > been > |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not > |be happening > | > |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way > but > |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else > | > | > | > |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > wrote: > |> I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like > |> dead donkey), > |> > |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |> |rumours/speculation > |> > |> Yes this is what you said: > |> > |>>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people > |>>>seem > |> to so upset, > |>>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while > |>>> would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update > |>>> wp7 device to > |> wp8 > |> > |> To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns > |> about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't > |> be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was > |> speculation both ways. > |> > |> I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP > |> between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them > |> probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps > |> until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. > |> > |> > |> > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM > |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> | > |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |> |rumours/speculation > |> | > |> |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the > |> |argumet > |> | > |> |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, > |> | > |> |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself > |> | > |> |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I > |> read/saw/listened > |> |to a year+ ago > |> | > |> |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they > |> |are > |> going to > |> |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all > |> running the > |> |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the > |> abilities/features > |> |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity > |> |stuff > |> etc > |> |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe > |> |this > |> will be > |> |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if > |> |it is > |> correct i > |> |don't know > |> | > |> |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their > |> |box > |> | > |> |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice > |> |cover > |> and claim > |> |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory > |> |in > |> china with, > |> |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy > |> |<bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > |> wrote: > |> |> Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, > |> |> and one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia > |> |> would be upgradable to win8" > |> |> > |> |> Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. > |> |> Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when > |> |> there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: > |> |> http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge > |> |> t-a > |> |> pollo > |> |> > |> |> Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that > |> |> it would upgrade. > |> |> > |> |> And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 > |> |> running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any > |> |> speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. > |> |> > |> |> But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim > |> |> people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. > |> |> Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average > |> |> consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a > |> |> Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. > |> |> If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 > |> |> (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. > |> |> > |> |> The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because > |> |> Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing > |devices. > |> |> Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. > |> |> Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no > |> |> wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small > |> |> market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming > |months). > |> |> > |> |> It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |> |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM > |> |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> |> | > |> |> |nov 2011 > |> |> |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- > |> |> |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- > |> |> |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a > |> |> | > |> |> |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before > |> |> | > |> |> |talking to people on twitter > |> |> | > |> |> |etc, > |> |> | > |> |> |the net is a big place > |> |> | > |> |> |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites > |> |> | > |> |> |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and > |> |> |beyond a > |> |> year ago > |> |> |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was > |> |> |thinking > |> |> the > |> |> |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy > |> |> |<bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > |> |> wrote: > |> |> |> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some > |> |> |> references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the > |> |> |> top listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming > |> |> |> but none that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I > |> |> |> don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in their review of > |> |> |> the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be > upgradable. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |> |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |> |> |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie > |> |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM > |> |> |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |> |> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what > |> |> |> |podcast, > |> |> |> etc > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |I was not talking about the smart phone market > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |Sent from my Windows Phone > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |________________________________ > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |From: mike smith > |> |> |> |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 > |> |> |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie > |> |> |> |<dotnetnoo...@gmail.com> > |> |> |> |wrote: > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | Well, this is not a compitition > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under > |> |> |> | the > |> |> |> impression > |> |> |> |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the > |> |> |> |wp7 devices > |> |> |> to > |> |> |> |wp8, > |> |> |> | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen > |> |> |> |to the one > |> |> |> podcast i > |> |> |> |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw > |> |> |> |people debating > |> |> |> it as far > |> |> |> |back as mid to end of 2011 > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS > |> |> |> | that you would > |> |> |> be > |> |> |> |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where > |> |> |> |you get some > |> |> |> form of > |> |> |> |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain > |> |> |> |time of a new release. > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a > |> |> |> | wp8 OS, I > |> |> |> have > |> |> |> |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case > |> |> |> |if MS wanted > |> |> |> to > |> |> |> |basically run win8 on a phone... > |> |> |> | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my > |> |> |> |guess > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support > |> |> |> |handset churn > |> |> |> than > |> |> |> |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's > |> |> |> |nothing to > |> |> |> gain and > |> |> |> |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? > |> |> |> | and i > |> |> |> maybe > |> |> |> |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for > |> |> |> |mango > |> |> 7.5? > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, > |> |> |> | especially if you > |> |> |> just > |> |> |> |got a new phone, > |> |> |> | I got mine the week they came out and I am not really > |> |> |> |happy either, > |> |> |> but I > |> |> |> |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that > |> |> |> |will run 8, > |> |> |> and that > |> |> |> |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way > |> |> |> |Apple do, > |> |> |> and > |> |> |> |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an > |> |> |> |answer for > |> |> |> that, > |> |> |> |Microsoft dudes? > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> > wrote: > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | A reasonable position would be if they issued a > |> |> |> | rebate for > |> |> |> those > |> |> |> |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the > |> |> |> |bitter taste > |> |> |> away for > |> |> |> |them, somewhat. > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | Mike > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie > |> |> |> |<dotnetnoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | I just listen to podcasts like windows > |> |> |> | weekly, they > |> |> |> been > |> |> |> |saying it for > |> |> |> | months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot > |> |> |> |people > |> |> |> claimig > |> |> |> |that it would > |> |> |> | be upgradable > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | but I personally did not expect you > |> |> |> |would be able to upgrade, becuase > |> |> |> | I was thinking the the phone was also > |> |> |> |going to try > |> |> |> and > |> |> |> |use the same > |> |> |> | core as win8, so the phone would be > |> |> |> |different and current phones most > |> |> |> | likely would not have the grunt to > |> |> |> |really do it, but > |> |> |> i did > |> |> |> |expect if > |> |> |> | the phone was more like "windows" that > |> |> |> |they would be able to still run > |> |> |> | the old apps > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | but if you google you will see people > |> |> |> | saying will > |> |> |> not be > |> |> |> |upgradable > |> |> |> | from mid to end of last year, while > |> |> |> |others saying > |> |> |> that MS > |> |> |> |could not > |> |> |> | cut off wp7 people becuase would kill > |> |> |> |the phone off > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | -- > |> |> |> | Meski > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to > |> |> |> | prison for > |> |> |> sex. > |> |> |> |Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |-- > |> |> |> |Meski > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> |"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. > |> |> |> |Sure, > |> |> |> you'll get it, > |> |> |> |but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > |> |> |> > |> |> |> > |> |> > |> >
