I have FTTH :) *yeah sucks to be me huh* and the reality is i barely even scratch the surface of its actual usage levels, given the majority of the internet can't even upload fast enough unless i'm dealing in BitTorrent style behaviour (node to node). Websites usually cap at around 500k-1mb anyway and streaming usually maxes out at around that range as well so assuming I do stumble onto a node that gives me 6mb/s (usually Usenet with 50+ connections running in parallel) in download my entire routing / internal network gets quite busy (resulting in having to buy a descent switch for $1k+) ..
So I just scratch my head and think, ok assuming everyones right about the LNP and assuming we need to think big first and worry about the steps last, how does one contemplate the next 5-10 years as this thing gets rolled out? Moreover, does the entire Australian IT sector just sit on its hands for years and wait patiently for NBN to roll out whilst not daring to invest in alternative broadband related IP for fear of it being marked redundant as Fibre to the Home occurs... or do they actually say "yeah screw this, taking to long... look we have <insert some random wireless good enough solution>" which then puts more added pressure on FTTH price models reducing the projected returns which then fuels more arguments "this is dead on arrival" blah blah. It's all good to paint a picture that with Fibre Optic we all level-up in our internet / broadband consumption philosophical needs but It realistically comes down to "Short term win long term delay/cost" vs "Short term stalemate/cost long term win" To argue that LNP vs ALP is a bad vs evil is to say we are voting for Rudd vs Abott ... when if you just look over their shoulders you see a bunch of people behind them that we've also not seem to pay a lot of attention towards..for instance we have Albo running the ICT portfolio of the country who to me looks like a Politician that still scratches his head at why his VCR won't work... Then you've got Chris Bowen an Undergraduate in Economics as our countries national Treasurer (thats today) .. and i'm not convinced LNP have some bright stars in their ranks either.. I guess my dilemma is i'm not against having FTTH (clearly I have it already) I'm not entirely convinced that its Build once or nothing approach. I just wonder if it should be a phased roll out and i can see both sides of the argument stack up just as well as one another whilst the core argument for FTTH or bust is simply "We don't trust govts to come back and finish the last mile" which is to assume should that thought prevail it will also sustain another 1-2 elections (depending on current NBN roll out they are likely have to convince us with 1-2 more federal elections so if you think this one has put pressure on the idea, can you imagine the next election?). Big call. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote: > The other part is the "not invented here" syndrome from the coalition. > And their owing a favour to murdoch, bigtime. > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Chere > <nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com>wrote: > >> **Ø **Interesting reading. Why the Labor Party had so much difficulty >> selling this we will probably never know.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Probably something to do with the public face of the plan being a >> patronising power-tripping imbecile with no significant IT or Telco >> industry experience or credibility and even less respect for the public he >> was (still is) getting paid a motza to supposedly serve – Stephen “Spams & >> Scams” Conroy.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> For such a significant public investment, things like a detailed >> cost-benefit analysis made available for open review should be mandatory >> before approval much less roll-out. To the best of my knowledge this still >> isn’t the case. They were also pushing things like the mandatory internet >> filter as part-and-parcel of the NBN which didn’t help (imagine the >> backlash if PRISM was making news while they were still pushing it?).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If you push your product from day #1 with an iron fist attitude and >> constantly behave like you have something to hide, people won’t want to buy >> in whether you’re selling a bona fide cure for cancer or rancid snake oil. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: >> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:15 AM >> *To:* 'ozDotNet' >> *Subject:* [OT] NBN revisited**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hi all,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Now, I should start this by pointing out that it is looking like the >> Coalition is going to win this election, so this little excerpt is unlikely >> to change anything, but it’s always good to be informed.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> This is an excerpt from Peter Cochrane, ex-head of British Telecom, who >> essentially told the UK parliament how fibre to the node was one of the >> worst mistakes they’ve ever made. Just about every country that implemented >> fibre to the node now regrets that decision.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> As far as governments are concerned, he said "…just getting them to >> realise that they have been misinformed and need to start thinking about >> the needs of a nation rather than the easy life desires of companies with >> outmoded thinking."**** >> >> ** ** >> >> From Peter:**** >> >> "The Problem With DUDES in Telco’s**** >> >> 1) They come infected with the limited thinking aligned with their >> business**** >> >> 2) And their business is founded on a 200 year legacy of copper and not >> future IT needs**** >> >> 3) They have been used to a monopoly past**** >> >> 4) Like the bankers they have lost all sight of their full >> responsibilities to the society in which they live**** >> >> 5) Their old technology choices and management systems mean they cannot >> respond fast to change**** >> >> 6) BUT their was a bit of a golden time when their networks were >> transformed by optical fibre linking cities**** >> >> 7) In BTs case this saw staffing fall from 242,000 to 110,000, and if >> they did FTTH it would fall to 30,000 or less**** >> >> 8) AND THEN they did really dumb things like MPLS which is a >> concatenation of decision errors**** >> >> 9) More equipment and interface types than necessary is really bad >> engineering**** >> >> 10 And so is over 6000 buildings when you need less than 100 – and this >> is copper v glass**** >> >> Here are things telco’s real don’t get:**** >> >> 11) The world is not asymmetric**** >> >> 12) The cost go getting bandwidth to any location is zip – 1 bit/s or >> 10Gbit/s it is the same – civil engineering dominates all cost – even when >> you already have ducts in place**** >> >> 13) The cost of fibre is much less than copper for long lines and the >> local loop – there is no difference….**** >> >> 14) FTTH provides a future proofing, ease of operation, lowest cost and >> the ultimate flexibility**** >> >> 15) FTTC/K et all with electronics between switch and customer just adds >> unreliability operating costs**** >> >> 16) PONS – GPON AND BPON et al made sense when fibre was 25p/m but not >> any more!**** >> >> 17) Direct fibre is simple cheap and reliable and can be built with >> office grade EtherNet kit**** >> >> 18) Without FTTH we will never have effective 3G or 4G – we need these >> nodes in offices and homes**** >> >> 19) The UK will be frozen out of Cloud Computing without a bandwidth >> everywhere**** >> >> 20) Bandwidths like 1Gbit/s might look huge today but they will look puny >> tomorrow**** >> >> 21) In my lifetime fast was: 90, 110, 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 9600, 18,200, >> 56,000, 64,000, 365 bit/s…,1, 2, 10, 20, 100, 200, 1000Mbit/s……why would >> anyone think this progression would stop or even slow down ??**** >> >> 22) No surprise then the leading industrial nations look upon the UK and >> its silly debates with pity and amusement whilst they get on with the job. >> **** >> >> 23) It is worth visiting China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Scandinavia, >> Jersey +++ to see the actuality and their plans to move up to 10Gbit/s to >> the home.**** >> >> 24) Over 35% of the UK population work on the move from home office/s, >> hotels. cars +++ and without bandwidth on the move they cannot achieve what >> is possible.**** >> >> 25) This country has its back to the financial wall and needs to focus on >> the GDP enabling technologies and those members of the population that can >> invoke +ve change to the benefit of all.**** >> >> The very saddest thing for me:**** >> >> 26) I realised that all this was possible in 1979 when I completed my PhD >> – and then I demonstrated that FTTH worked and was cheaper than copper >> in1986. By the early 90s BT had built the factories to build these systems >> and we had commence roll out when the Thatcher government stopped the >> programme in favour of getting in the USA cable companies – who by the way >> were not allowed to supply telephony service in the USA! Our collaborators >> at that time were the Japanese and Koreans….and they just kept >> going….looking at the UK in amazement as we were left in the dust of time! >> **** >> >> Now to my position – lest you think me some impractical academic. In my >> BT life I was employed as:**** >> >> 1) A digger of trenches**** >> >> 2) An installer of poles, cables, telephones PBXs, exchanges**** >> >> 3) A maintainer of PBXs, switches, repeater and radio stations**** >> >> 4) A network designer and planner**** >> >> 5) A research engineer**** >> >> 6) A software writer**** >> >> 7) A designer of test equipment**** >> >> 8) Systems and networks designer**** >> >> 9) Head of Group a then Head of Section and then Head of Division for >> Transmission Systems**** >> >> 10) Head of Research and then CTO**** >> >> And since leaving BT life and experience has been even faster and even >> broader…**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I do hope this helps, Peter**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Peter also has a couple of interesting articles on the future of the >> internet:**** >> >> FTTH The only solution, found here: >> http://www.nexstdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/NExsT-2012-02.pdf* >> *** >> >> No broadband, no future, found here: >> http://techcitynews.com/2013/01/28/no-broadband-no-future/**** >> >> His personal website is found here: http://www.cochrane.org.uk**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Finally, I have added a link to the New Zealand NBN cost/benefits study, >> titled “Building the benefits of broadband : How New Zealand can increase >> the social & economic impacts of high-speed broadband”. Extrapolating for >> Australia, it indicates that the NBN could bring in between A$105 billion >> dollars and A$237 billion dollars over 20 years, which means a boon in >> economic activity, new businesses, products and services, jobs and taxes >> paid. Interesting reading. Why the Labor Party had so much difficulty >> selling this we will probably never know.**** >> >> http://www.tmcnet.com/redir/?u=1006058**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Click here <https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ==> to >> report this email as spam.**** >> >> >> This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com >> > > > > -- > Meski > > http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >
