Wow, he didn’t even know what the policies of his party were. I think I know them better than he does!
What are the 6 points of the 6 point Stop The Boats plan “Er, the first one is stop the boats” What are the other 5 points? “Er we plan to stop the boats” No, the other 5 points? “Er we plan to stop the boats” He should have said, well, so it’s a 6 point plan but all 6 points are to stop the boats. What a vacuous bunch of pollie we have. Are these people worth $5? That’s how much our first preference vote is worth together for the upper and lower house. I don’t think they’re worth it. Mine isn’t going to Liberal or Labor. I’m finding someone closer to what I believe in and voting for them first and then voting for the party I want in. Why reward such mediocrity? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU this is pretty funny and disturbing video! This guy is pretty useless..this politick has no idea about anything…its just a job he is going for…how do these people get into such roles… Anthony Melbourne StuffUps…learn from others, share with others! http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Ideas-Incubator-Stuffups-Failed-Startups/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE : The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. (*13POrtC*) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:48 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited What I don’t understand is that if you’re in a built up area, why they don’t just install Fibre to the Home. Copper might do for the short term, but it is expensive to maintain and has all sorts of issues like crosstalk/interference, susceptibility to water etc. Fibre does not have those issues and fibre can last 60 years. Fibre can also give a consistent speed up to 50 kilometres from the node as opposed to copper that degrades significantly after 2 or 3 kilometres. Copper will also max out probably around the 200Mbps – 300Mbps mark from a theoretical maximum around 1Gbps. Other countries are talking about 10Gbps and they have achieved Petabyte transmission speeds in the labs. As David rightly pointed out, if you want to go to even higher speeds, they will need to replace the fibre with even faster fibre and change the technology at the end points, but once it is done properly once, those changes won’t be as difficult to achieve. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited Isn't that really the point of the NBN? To try to make internet access more available? I have no problem with people in the middle of nowhere getting it first because they have few options. I might complain about being stuck with optus but I still get 20Mb/s down and I think 0.25 up. I know people in outer suburbs that just can't get it at all. I'm not talking rural. Sure it means I don't get my FTTH in the foreseeable future but it is the fair option. The fibre part of this whole argument is, strictly speaking, secondary. Making internet access available to all for a reasonable cost is more important. On that note, charging $5000 to get that access isn't really the same thing. For many, you may as well say they can't have it. David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 15:13, GregAtGregLowDotCom <g...@greglow.com <mailto:g...@greglow.com> > wrote: But what’s the alternative Bill? Wait for the NBN? We’re not even on the “we’ll think about starting within 3 years” map. And all they keep doing with the current targets is downgrading them. So what chance do we have of seeing it in anything like a reasonable timeframe? I’m in an area where they’d make a lot of money by rolling it out. So by their logic, we can’t have it. If, however, I lived out the back of Ballarat, no problems. As I said, conceptually I love the idea. I just can’t see it actually being delivered. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:06 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited I wouldn’t count on that running that smoothly. It will take time to get that many “fridges” installed everywhere: thinking it can all be done in three years sounds incredibly hopeful to me. But even once that is done, then the fibre has to be physically installed down the road/streets. If that is done on an ad-hoc, one house here, one house there, not only is it terribly unproductive, but you can expect a whole lot of council backlash against the interruption to pedestrian and vehicle traffic etc, etc. Seriously, you should try to get Telstra to run you some cable today and see what the costs are and how long it takes: Only $5K from the exchange to your house: dreaming ;) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:51 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited Like most people, I’d love to have FTTH. However, I have zero confidence in the current government’s ability to deliver it in a reasonable timeframe. Wishing for it won’t make it happen. Given a choice between paying $3K-$5k to connect our house to a local node in 2016, and a dream of a service that’s unlikely to appear before I retire in about 10 years’ time, there really is no serious choice to be made. I’d pay the $3k-$5k in a heartbeat. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:38 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited Apart from the use of "impacted", a nice article. For some reason, this whole argument reminds me of the republic referendum some years back. I knew a number of people who didn't like the idea of a politician appointed president and thought voting "No" meant "the people" would vote for the president. The fact is, the vast majority of people who vote on such things do so without all the facts. Certainly not enough to be responsible for making a decision. People on this list will tend to be looking at it from a technical point of view. I doubt any of this has any meaning to the population in general. If the NBN was available in my area, I'd get it. For cable, my only option now is Optus which is what I have. Telstra told me I could get ADSL with a fraction of the data and for a lot more money. If only I had a choice... David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au <mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> > wrote: Here’s a good read from today : http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html Hopefully that will help some folks see past the one tree and start looking at the forest.
