Sorry, to clarify - when I say "compulsory" I mean that clients will most
likely demand it, not compulsory from a legal standpoint :)

On 25 February 2015 at 20:18, Grant Maw <grant....@gmail.com> wrote:

> It may not be the state of play right now, but I suspect that in the not
> too distant future, it will be *compulsory* to store data in Azure, AWS or
> their like, because of the reasons that Greg L mentions above. They'll
> simply be able to do a better job at securing the data than overworked
> in-house IT departments that are expected to deliver the world with a
> budget that wouldn't buy an atlas.
>
> I have several clients whose data involves healthcare information for
> clients. It is all stored on the Amazon cloud and the client has had no
> issues with this whatsoever (in one case, we are expanding their cloud
> infrastructure).
>
> If the government wants to look at your data, there's nothing much you can
> do to stop them irrespective of where it's hosted. They'll either come in
> through the front door (via something like a court order), or the back door
> (using a guy wearing a dark coloured hat), but they'll get at it one way or
> another.
>
> On 25 February 2015 at 13:28, Greg Keogh <g...@mira.net> wrote:
>
>> Folks, I have a demo SQL database in Azure and it's working nicely, but
>> now we have to consider how to get it into production use. My demo DB
>> doesn't contain any real names and addresses, but the live DB will have
>> information about hospital patients, and you can imagine how confidential
>> that is! I'm told they will demand the DB be stored on hospital managed
>> servers, which is a damn nuisance in reality as I'm sure many of you know
>> how tedious it can be trying to break through walls of bureaucracy around
>> IT departments in places like hospitals and the government.
>>
>> This opens up the whole issues of "trust and the cloud". Since the
>> Snowden revelations, I don't know how anyone with confidential data can
>> trust cloud storage. Even I don't trust it and all of my backups in
>> Rackspace and Azure blobs are pkzipc AES encrypted. So how on earth could a
>> hospital be convinced that cloud store is an attractive option?
>>
>> I just remembered that Amazon has a special area that is certified secure
>> so they can get government contracts. I haven't seen anything like that in
>> Azure. Despite that, it doesn't make me feel much better, as we now know
>> the NSA was intercepting hardware and bugging it, and coercing huge telcos
>> to put splitters in the backbones, and using secret FISA orders to threaten
>> other even huger companies to secretly hand over their records. So who the
>> hell can trust anyone in the cloud?!
>>
>> Is anyone dealing in this sort of cloud/trust business at the moment?
>> What's the state of play? is there any hope? Am I just paranoid? (who's
>> monitoring this email?)
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>
>

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