Exactly The double standards are to be resisted internally as well as externally imposed!
Why can the bureacrats and polies not get their heads around the equality issues Equal pay and staus for equal work (and better outcomes!) Perhaps because we as a profession do not see our own value and push it?? Why is autonomy not an issue for midwives? In every definition autonomy is part of being a profession! So why is it not an issue for the Australain midwifery profession and its professional body?? Why not CONTRACT midwives to give continuity of care to healthy women? CONTRACTORS do the job as their expertise tells them is most approopriate. Electricians, plumbers etc do not have the person paying for the job tell them how to do it, because they are contracted not salaried!! Electricians etc can manage the business side of this what is so abhorent to midwives? What do the BMids on the list think ?? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne Staff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > Yay Sally!!! This is precisely the valuing of midwifery services that we > need - I was discussing midwives being at the births of women in private > hospitals when the obs are not there and how they still get their $500-00 or > whatever it is (for being absent)and we are there, but we get $22 per > hour....what does that tell us? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sally Westbury > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 9:57 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > > > I agree that birthing choice must be a freely (in both senses of the > word) available for all women. > > GP's practice with a huge amount of autonomy. No-one dictates to them > how they run their practice but they can if they choose bulk bill and so > provide free service to their clients. > > GP's can use alternative therapies and bulk bill for it with their > provider number. > > Lets really fight for out autonomy as well as our work to be paid for > from the public purse. > > Let the guideline come from our professional bodies rather than the > health dept. > > This is also a battle about our status as a professional body. Do we > wish to remain as workers for the state or professionals able to > regulate themselves as do doctors, physiotherapists, speech therapists > etc etc. > > Lets stand up for ourselves as well as birthing women. > > Sally Westbury > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn > Kleidon > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 2:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > > I totally agree with what Pete has said probably because I too have a > strong > socialist heart. I do believe that different localities can sort out > with > the women and midwives in their particular area practice guidelines, > procedures, and protocols that are based on the midwifery model of care > that > all can live with. Surely each MIPP has their own set. I think since we > are > asking for government funding one way or another there has to be some > give > and take on these issues and as Pete said if we need to be employed by > Govt > to make NMAP happen then in effect we have increased choices for women. > At > least a lot of women. I really think if you expect to have no guidelines > or > too few then it just will not happen. > > marilyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malavisi, Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:26 PM > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > > > > I am basically a socialist at heart, so I see Govt employed public > system > my > > future, even with all the controls over the years I have managed to > have > > many excellent birthing experiences with women and their families, > > inevitably it has meant jumping through some hoops at times but I have > > accepted that as part of the deal, I still believe that PI should be > > available to those who wish to practice privately as well but see that > as > > another issue. If we can be employed by Govt to make NMAP happen then > in > > effect we have increased choices for women, the politics and control > will > > continue whatever system is chosen. hope this makes sense, feel like > I'm > > rambling a bit, yours in midwifery pete malavisi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2002 10:30 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > > > > > > Dear Pete, > > That is the rub > > With out PI it is precarious being in private practice with out > government > > support/employment!! > > So the question of how this is done is important to all midwives and > > consumers. > > > > Because he who pays the piper calls the tune particularly if it is a > salary > > situation. > > What tune will be played when the piper is the health depts well they > > already have a host of protocols and a host of workers who adhere to > them > so > > why should salaried community midwives be any different. > > > > Then all women in NSW or which ever state whop rupture their membranes > come > > in get A/bs and IOL after x hours!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Malavisi, Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:15 PM > > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SalariedVersusContract > > > > > > > I'm not too fussed whether it is salaried or contract but believe > the > > > service has to provided by the government and those who want to work > > > privately can continue to do so. I personally don't like dealing > with > the > > > money side of things though obviously need an income. yours in > midwifery > > > pete malavisi > > > > > > -- > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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