RE: [ozmidwifery] fear clinics etc

[Lieve Huybrechts]

Title: Bericht

Just returned of my first missed homebirth :-). Baby arrived 20 min before me and parents did a nice job. Father could even tell the baby was a 'starwatcher' posterior position. 3860 gr, no tears, aren't they marvellous?   What was interesting with this birth was that the mother said, she was counting during contractions and when it became more, she biked in her mind up the mountain. Isn't that sort of hypnobirthing :-))   Lieve     Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Diane Gardner Verzonden: maandag 18 april 2005 3:48 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] fear clinics etc You're absolutely right Jo. Society has changed. Women don't have the support systems around them anymore, mothers, sisters, auntys are all going back to work and more women are left alone to figure out, what is birth really about. Mind you we have the wonderful internet that they can look up everything complicated known to woman. I would like to think this is a help and for confident women this IS a good tool but for many along with the horror stories what CAN they do and where can they go?   My eldest daughter is having her second baby and decided to go down the OB track (her decision to make not mine) and at each visit he says ooooo only 5 weeks to go....scarey. I could not believe my ears. Why not say 5 weeks to go ....how exciting. Just an example of negative suggestion that sits nicely in the subconscious mind ready to be stacked with the next negative.   What are women to do then take only the classes hospitals offer? What tools are given? Midwives hands are so tied with what they can and cannot say that couples walk away in confusion, no positive tools to use. Mind you SOME hospitals are changing a little.   Also I have met midwives that WANT to control birth and don't allow the labouring woman to have choice. Sad to say this but for some it is true. I have also had one midwife at a birth that offered so many great alternatives (she previously worked in a birth centre) which was fantastic and the OB on duty heard her and ripped her across the coals and suddenly she became medical. Not her fault at all, just following instructions but my client was furious at the sudden change in attitude.   We too teach about birth being natural, birth is simple not complicated, listen to your body, but you need that woman to HAVE that belief or you are wasting your time. I also learnt about affirmations and saying over and over "I will get better and better every day" but unless the belief system really believes this is true then they are just words on a piece of paper. I have rewritten ALL my affirmations that I give my couples e.g "I relax so that my baby can relax with me", "I listen to my body, it knows what to do".   I love this list because you are all so open minded and so towards natural birth and I have learnt such a lot from all of you. As a HypnoBirthing practitioner for 4 1/2 years now I TOTALLY agree with you and in no way do we teach mind control but rather tuning in to a woman's natural ability to birth naturally and being able to support herself in the process.   I also want to let you know that an Australian program is now being trialled called "Calmbirth", geared around relaxation techniques and breathing. I agree that the HypnoBirthing name isn't one that would make you want to jump at it especially the guys.  have used the Calmbirth technique and couples have birthed with it and the women say "it is the most empowering experience I have ever had, being in charge of my birthing and my body's instincts to just do it".   The last HypnoBirthing training held in Australia last October had 26 participants and 23 of them were midwives. They must be noticing that something works with it huh?   Birthing comes from within Diane Gardner     ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean & Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] fear clinics etc In a way, I’m ducking for cover here, hypnobirthing is just another way that we teach women that they don’t know how to birth. Reliance of stuff, instead of trusting their instinctive knowing.   interesting way of looking at it Sally - could it not be said that hypnobirthing (dont like the term myself) is a tool in which women can access that instinctual knowledge of birthing?   It is burried so deep and layered with fears and misinformation of generations that it would be conceivable to use a tool that unlocks the deep subconsciousness to regain touch with what is already there.  It is not like it, instict to birth,  is being installed for the first time....just trying to re-wire the hard drive to access the files!  Oh my husband would love that analogy!!!!    Midwives who use this technique are not birthing the baby for the women but holding their hand mentally to give them the guidence to know where to look within themselves.  it wold probably only have to be done with the woman once as it is such a powerful thing to do -birth by instinct- that we never forget again!   just my thoughts Jo -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:44 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] fear clinics etc Have you read Michael Odent’s new book. The Caesarean?? It talks about not stimulating the women. I think that it is something like hypnobirthing in that it is about not stimulating the neocortex, allowing the woman to stay in her experience not in the world.   I would hesitate to say that midwives use hypnobirthing instinctively as this reinforces the idea that midwives ‘drive’ the experience. Rather that women instinctively do what they need. Midwives simply are present to the experience if they are is quiet, still and calm.   In a way, I’m ducking for cover here, hypnobirthing is just another way that we teach women that they don’t know how to birth. Reliance of stuff, instead of trusting their instinctive knowing.   Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife   "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her."    -Judy Slome Cohain   -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 16/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 16/04/2005