I did actually respond and my friend has told me it hasn't worked.... how frustrating

in essence; my response is that the focus is on 'little' bit of knowledge being dangerous, compared with 'alot' of knowledge that is well researched and evidence based being a fabulous thing. My point of Kelly supporting the woman in the way her service offers is that her service offers non-medical support and the women love this. By obtaining information from an internet list and offering this in opposition to the care the woman receives from the hospital can have a potentially damaging effect on her trust of the carers at the hospital that she has chosen. The woman should take her birthing plan and her queries regarding the blood pressure to the people at the hospital, where she can discuss what an induction means and why she may or may not need this.


The subject of fear in labour- if this fear comes from ill informed advice, misunderstanding with health care professionals or simply from scary tales from friends, there is no place for this fear in labour. Instinctive fear is a different topic from this. I recently eased fears from a woman in less than a minute when I palped her OP babe, I told her that I'd never actually 'caught' a babe in OP because they had all turned in labour, she was instantly relieved and we discussed different positions that took away her back pain.

I made absolutely no reference to woman being treated like infants (!?) or undeserved of information.

My defense over the interference in hospitals stands only on this- that people interfere when they are concerned of the potential risk to the mother and baby, if we did nothing we are also putting them at risk. Can we not make this an 'us and them' sort of argument? I care for woman AND work in a hospital!

I also responded in thanks to Kelly for clarifying her frankness with the list as opposed to the way she is with her clients.

Maybe I'm vetoed from the list and that's why it didn't appear?


From: Jo Bourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Blood pressure...
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:54:08 +1000

I did get it the first time... maybe some emails get through to some people but not everyone?

At 12:29 PM +1000 6/7/06, Stephen & Felicity wrote:
>Sending this to the list for the second time as it mysteriously disappeared. >:o( >----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen & Felicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Blood pressure...
>
>>"A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing."
>>
>>Heidi, I'm shocked by this statement. I can only assume I misunderstood your stance; could you expand on this statement?
>>
>>Being well-informed is not about being scared or doubtful of the Hospital (and a Doula doesn't "put fear or doubt" into their clients); it's a basic human right, particularly for a birthing woman and her baby. Knowledge is never dangerous (it's NOT being informed that carries the danger); and if knowledge leads a woman to feel fearful of a course of action that is proposed for her, that is a GOOD thing - it's her intuition telling her that she isn't ok with it happening, and pushing her to seek other options. Co-operation with a Hospital and her careprovider is not the ultimate goal for a birthing woman. It should be the other way around.
>>
>>Women are not infants and they have a right to any and all information, and to their emotions - even if they include fear. Fear is natural in birth and it's good support and good practice that gets us through it effectively; not avoiding the feeling altogether.
>>
>>Careproviders might not interfere with women and birth for fun (although I've seen and heard of Obs that indicate differently - and even, rarely, Midwives), but the rates of intervention compared to the rates indicated as actually necessary show that they're not often intervening based on evidence, either.
>>
>>It's not the information and knowledge that scares women. It's the practices and the outcomes. To address the fear we don't need to withhold information so the women can birth in Hospital without fuss; we need to truly support women, foster open negotiation and respect, and keep pushing to change the practices that aren't evidence-based or in the best interests of women and their babies.

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