Cde Moloto
Please have your facts correct on aplamva before you can talk on internet which is a public forum. I won't take the liberty of engaging you on this forum but all I am asking is that you must start talking the truth especially if you are a Head of party building department you don't build the party on lies. I will challenge you on any matter as far as Aplamva in concerned. You know that Party disciplinary process was raped as far as Aplamva is concern. You are part of the mess happening now in Aplamva. You did not listen when we advised you and Cde Skwatsha on a solution for a congress that was supposed to be held together on 11 Sept 2009 instead you pushed and rushed to congress on 22 Aug 2009 where most over 50 Aplamva branches were sidelined without any valid reasons and that was very irresponsible of you. You know that the congress you held on the 22 Aug 2009 was unconstitutional not unless you can prove it on the constitution that you followed procedure of which you did not. Note: Cde Moloto you know that what you wrote here is nonsense I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE IT leadership of Fihla Aplamva are not PAC members and therefore there are basis for unity discussions with them. We know what they are interested on is the name of Aplamva. So that they can continue to source project form government for themselves. This grouping is not really interested in unity, their actions and programmes are aimed at undermining and weakening the PAC as an organisation. Don't be devisive Izwe lethu Justice Mvakali From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Narius Moloto Sent: 01 June 2010 01:50 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] PAYCO VS PACyl ON SA FM The position of party building on party unity. Party building department of the party agree on the question of party unity. However party unity must be understood in context. When we talk party unity, we must first understand what is the party. The party is the structure of the party, namely the branches, regions, provinces and the component structures, such as youth league, student, women and etc. Party unity does not concern itself with individuals who operate outside party structures and non-pac members. Pac belong to its structures and the basic structure of the PAC is the branch. If you do not belong to a branch of the PAC, you exclude yourself from the structures of the PAC including its component structures. It is so because you cannot lead a party component structure unless you are a PAC member and you belong to a branch. One of my responsibilities is to ensure that party structures are formed, have programmes and are functional. I did not come across disunity in this party structures. In other words there are no issues which divide branch members. They are in fact united around party programmes. The same cannot said to be said with component structures. However this should be understood in context as well. You do have people who are members of the branches of the PAC, who do not accept the constitution and the leadership of the PAC and are in fact not members of the PAC but claim by the virtue of the fact that they once belonged to the PAC component structures, in prison, in exile etc they don't have to belong to the PAC branches and have equal rights to the part structures. This people think they have the right to choose who become the president of the PAC and that if they do not recognise the president of the PAC, them he is not the PAC president. When the current president of the PAC took over the presidency he outlined two main tasks. One is to take the PAC back to its rightful owners, which are the branches of the party and two, to give PAC a shape. This means all party members must belong to the branches. No one must claim to be a party member while he does not belong to a party branch. Two, the branches must have programmes with mass participation of their communities. They must lead the communities in addressing their problems and their needs. All genuine members of the PAC now belong to branches and are working at their different branches. But you have those who refuse to belong to the branches and participate in PAC programmes. Their main reason is that they do not recognise the current leadership. The founding fathers of the PAC and the constitution of the PAC from its inception highlight the branches as the basic structures of the organisation. It is clear therefore that you cannot claim to love the PAC and strive to unite the PAC which you are not its member. It is our argument that party unity belongs to party branches and structures not people who dispute party leadership and non party members. To call for a unity meeting you should have identified areas of disunity and the level at which they exist. The dynamics of the alleged disunity in the party component structures are as follows: APLAMVA In the Aplamva the root cause of disunity is political and its origin is the formation of PAM. The section of Aplamva that is lead by Fihla belongs to PAM. Majority of its leadership and membership belongs to PAM. In their recent Ipelegeng Congress their main focus was on PAC president. They attached the PAC president and resolved to isolate him as an individual. Their initial tactic was to take Aplamva away from PAC t oPAM and they failed. The leadership of Fihla Aplamva are not PAC members and therefore there are basis for unity discussions with them. We know what they are interested on is the name of Aplamva. So that they can continue to source project form government for themselves. This grouping is not really interested in unity, their actions and programmes are aimed at undermining and weakening the PAC as an organisation. Payco never recognised any president of the PAC and it only exist at national leadership level. It does not have branches, regions and provincial structures. It is composed of a group of individuals who focuses on attaching and undermining the structures and the leadership of the PAC. Payco does not have a programme other than insulting and defaming the programmes and the leadership of the PAC. They do not hesitate to form an alliance with any one who is disgruntled with the PAC to haunch their attach. PAC is having its youth league which accept both the constitution and the leadership of the PAC. While party unity is important and must always be encouraged, we cannot unite revolutionaries and reactionaries, members and non members without seriously compromising the party itself. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Masande Gonya Sent: 28 May 2010 02:02 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAYCO VS PACyl ON SA FM Africanist we must be vigilant, the media is not right tool for now , because it is controlled by western people. MOST OF THE TIME WE SAY THAT. The masses are waiting for us out there, the facebook and google is not going to bring unity within the party. We are not politicians, we are revolutinaries ma-afrika. The masses are waiting for us, we must ask ourselves what do we want from achieve within the space of time. Pan-Africanism is does not preach about disunity, it speaks about unity. I strongly feel PAC is the only solution to the current problems of africa, what is required is members to unity. let us love one another, we must not be enemies. The dream of 1963, 25 May it is still there. But we must be willing to change our personalities for the sake our people. I am not old in politics, but i see there is huge problem within the ranks of our movement. I am currently doing my academic research on the politics of azania and turn around strategy that can be used to get the opportunity to get support from the masses. It nice to know what happen pre-1994, and that was mistake that was caused. In a revolution if something didn't work out, there is a need to reshape and move forward. I am currently reading Sun Tzu on the Art of War, I recommend to all africanist to get hold of the book so that we can serve the people of this continent. To debate seating in the chair, with your fingers in your computer is not going to justice to people who are dying in and other. If we can not change the government via democratic proccess (which i strongly believe PAC was not supposed to engaging in) we are liberation movement not a organisation of parliament or union buildings. The african cause will remain a cause. I remain an Africanist. On 28 May 2010 11:03, Phakamile Myakayaka <pmyakay...@gmail.com> wrote: majoni ikhona ingxaki kwaye it is of gigantic propotion.i just listened to safm and i am not happy at all.solution:let's all meet and iron our differences in order to move forward as a strong force of african warriors on a revolutionary march to total emancipation of amaAfrica, uPAYCO makakhokhele i'm ready to loose blood for the african course IZWE LETHU! 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