A few years ago, Gold Wave was very much a toy as far as sound editors went. That has changed as new versions have come out. The price has not changed. One thing is that Gold Wave is pretty much a one-man operation, where as Sound forge is brought to you by teh same people who mass-marketed blank CD's and then charge you for using them.
Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Tyler Wood wrote: > That is, after you spend the $200 for soundforge, and why I am stil > wondering why does sound forge cost so much compaired to gold wave, unless > it has 200 features that gold wave doesn't, I'm not spending that much. Not > after I spend $50, at the most, for gold wave, and why I'm buying gold wave. > Tyler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Toews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:39 PM > Subject: RE: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions > > >> I believe in Gold Wave. It's gotten a lot of knocking over the years from >> people who sincerely believe that anything other than Sound Forge is a >> hopeless program to use. >> >> Bruce >> >> -- >> Bruce Toews >> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net >> Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com >> >> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Curtis Delzer wrote: >> >>> What are you writing at first 22,050hz at 16Bit or smaller? in >>> stereo, you could only go about 6 hours and 40 minutes at that rate >>> before you'd fill a fat 32 disk with 2 gigabytes. 24K mp3s don't >>> really sound that good, the smallest I do is 32K or 32K at the lowest >>> vbr rating of the encoder engine I use, can't spell frahnhoffer but I >>> tried, but, again, on the BP 24K mp3s I guess are ok. One mp3 at >>> that length would be a little unwieldy to me, but that is just >>> individual preference, and the bp does keep track of where you're >>> reading in any case. What is a *.pca file? >>> I am going to give GoldWave a look to see how they use noise >>> reduction or how their native noise reduction works, it's worth >>> the$50 because of the support to keyboards the program continues to >>> have as well. >>> Bruce, you're a good promulgator of the program, :) <grin> >>> >>> Curtis Delzer >>> >>> At 04:12 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >>>> No, I'm doing many of the same things you mentioned already. I'm >>>> getting >>>> rid of beginnings and endings of all sides, blowing off all references >>>> to >>>> cassettes in general. >>>> >>>> When I'm done, I have a single MP3, 24 KBPS, that works nicely in the >>>> Book >>>> Port. >>>> >>>> I dug out the deck, and the crosstalk is no more. >>>> >>>> Sixteen sides is the most I've ever digitized--made for a heck of a >>>> file, >>>> but it worked. >>>> >>>> I guess I could do all that region creation stuff, which makes sense, >>>> but I >>>> save each side as a .pca file, then I combine them and render them as a >>>> single MP3. I don't even keep the stuff about "continuing on page >>>> such-and-such" at the beginning of every side. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:54 AM >>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>> >>>> I initially forgot a couple steps, very important. After you've >>>> recorded your "stereo" file with each track/side in the left and >>>> right channels, you need to select the entire file and copy it to the >>>> clip board and paste it into another window, one which is mono so the >>>> sound will be in the center. OOPS, sorry about that. >>>> You can do all the processing if you wish first before you do the >>>> pasting into your mono file, but it is important if you can, to put >>>> markers while the initial recording is being made when the cassette >>>> sides end so you can find them in an 8 side file, for example, which >>>> is just about the limit for fat32 (at 44,100Hz at 16bit stereo), if >>>> you use that format on your hard drive. So, let's say you've recorded >>>> your stereo file, 2 cassettes long which is about 3 hours, (probably >>>> 2:56 or so), select it all, then paste it into your mono file. First, >>>> the left channel, then the right channel. When you reverse the right >>>> channel, after you've done that, your 11 hour file will look like >>>> this; again after you've sampled down to 22,050Hz in mono, side 1, 2, >>>> 5, 6, 7, 8, 3, 4, (from least to most time, left to right. I label >>>> each region paying very close attention to the narrator so the >>>> numbers coincide, but I don't keep him saying "side 2, side 3, etc. >>>> and also I don't keep, "this book is up to 4 sides per cassette, or >>>> "so many pages on so many sides," in digital format, (again just my >>>> opinion, it is not needed, and, "to skip such and such in this book, >>>> fast forward until a beep is heard, stop at that point to hear x x x, >>>> or the beginning of the book." >>>> The markers, though you made them going forward, after you've >>>> reversed the right channel, the markers will be close to where the >>>> "reversed" sides begin' or' end, but you'll have to hunt a bit. Make >>>> new markers at the beginning and end of where you wish to create your >>>> regions, so in that way if the left or right end of the region area >>>> gets lost or unselected, you can readily find it again. >>>> I just recorded, finished, "Undue Influence," by Steven Martini >>>> tonight, while the Rose Bowl was going on, GO TEXAS! :) They did win, >>>> during side 10 about 30 minutes before I finished the initial >>>> recording before processing. >>>> >>>> At 04:47 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>>> Thank you for such kind words, and I will do what I can to reveal >>>>> what I do to get rid of noise in sound forge. >>>>> Here is a message I sent to Nolan about it, but I'll amplify. >>>>> Well, this is "off list," so no prob, and as far as replying, hey, >>>>> what are we here >>>>> fore, to help one another? Damn right! So, I enjoy it since I've done >>>>> many hundred >>>>> books and know how valuable it is when you hear something which, >>>>> going in sounded >>>>> like that unmentionable schtuff you mentioned, but coming out sounds >>>>> fantastic! I, >>>>> presume, you do have the sound forge noise reduction plug in, so if >>>>> you do, then >>>>> you're going to find that it will do a magnificent job, especially if >>>>> you can get >>>>> it to sample the sound in such a way that it automatically picks the >>>>> "hiss," and/or >>>>> the "noise" it is suppose to hear, and not what you don't want it to >>>>> reduce like >>>>> the voice. Since you've recorded in SF before and know how to >>>>> reverse, what I do >>>>> is make a region for each side of each cassette, and then have sf >>>>> write those regions >>>>> to specific *.wav files, and then use something else to make the mp3s >>>>> at 32K or 32K >>>>> with vbr so the sound is as good as it should be. I record at >>>>> 44,100Hz and then change >>>>> the sample rate to 22,050, (NOT RESAMPLE) just change the sample rate >>>>> so the pitch >>>>> halves, to resample would not change the pitch but you'd loose >>>>> quality, and then >>>>> apply noise reduction since the noise you wish for the NR to hear >>>>> would be at the >>>>> correct pitch as well. >>>>> I hope some of this rambling helps. You can change the amount of >>>>> noise reduction >>>>> in the nr reduction plug-in, rather than use the preset of "0.250 >>>>> seconds (a quarter >>>>> second) (for fast computers) and then, since it's mode 1, you can >>>>> then change the >>>>> amount of supression in db. The "sample noise" checkbox should be >>>>> checked, and when >>>>> you first have it sample a noise, it auto unchecks itself since the >>>>> nr plug-in has >>>>> found the sample and made it's configuration and to that noise it's >>>>> sampled, it's >>>>> set. Change the db slider to, let's say, minus 40 DB and while >>>>> listening to the "preview" >>>>> you'll be amazed how wonderfully it will work. Then, save the >>>>> setting, but make sure, >>>>> before you save that setting, that the sample checkbox is then, >>>>> checked, since if >>>>> you use that setting in the future for another minus 40 db sample, >>>>> you wish it to >>>>> sample at least a quarter second of noise automatically, and by >>>>> default. Many guys >>>>> forget that checkbox and figure that since the slider is set for >>>>> minus 40 db, it >>>>> will get rid of the noise, forgetting that it needs to sample first >>>>> some noise before >>>>> it can apply it's magic to what you wish it to hear, not a voice or >>>>> music. Plan to >>>>> use a selected part of the noise when you make the nr plug-in hear >>>>> noise, (the beginning >>>>> of each side of a book is plenty of room for it) and you'll be really >>>>> pleased, I >>>>> guarantee. >>>>> That dec, will make a huge difference though the handi-cassette is >>>>> good one track >>>>> at a time, even has better or less cross talk one track at a time, >>>>> but is tedious >>>>> that way. Recording off that dec in your garage (when you set it up) >>>>> the right channel >>>>> is tracks 4 and 3 sides 1 and 2 of the tape, and you know that if you >>>>> first record >>>>> 1 cassette, that if you press tab it will put the left channel by >>>>> itself into a way >>>>> which you can work with separately. Press tab until you hear only the >>>>> right channel, >>>>> then reverse it all at once. Then you should down sample, normalize, >>>>> noise reduce, >>>>> make regions for sides (which for best results should be noise >>>>> reduced separately) >>>>> and then have sf make your *.wav files. >>>>> Getting to those sliders for minus db can be problematic, though, >>>>> fortunately I have jfw 5.0 and it's native sound forge configuration >>>>> files, so the sliders can be found. You must play around a good bit >>>>> in the plug-in configuration, trying up and down arrow to find out >>>>> which field(s) get changed, but when you do and learn which does >>>>> change that slider from about minus 12.5 db which is a default >>>>> setting when using the preset for "fast computers with 250 >>>>> millisecond capture, you then will be amazed how well it works, >>>>> again, especially, if it just hears noise such as tape hiss or hum >>>>> before the recording begins. >>>>> I hope all this helps. Take care and write to let me know how you're >>>>> doing. >>>>> Curtis Delzer >>>>> >>>>> At 02:06 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>>> Thanks for the outstanding advice regarding the plug-in and the >>>>> handi-cassette. I knew it was a piece of something unmentionable when >>>>> it >>>>> came to reproducing stereo sound; I need to hunt up my old cassette >>>>> deck >>>>> stored in a box in the garage, and I'll do that this weekend. >>>>> I wonder if we could communicate via e-mail off list so I can get a >>>> somewhat >>>>> better handle on how to even begin to use that plug-in. I can't even >>>>> get >>>>> the auto trim crop to trim the silence off both ends of the recording >>>>> appropriately--obviously operator incompetence alive, well, and at work >>>>> in >>>>> front of my keyboard. <smile> >>>>> Again, Curtis, thanks for replying. I know it took time out of your >>>>> life, >>>>> and silly and goofy as it sounds, any time I get a reply from anyone, >>>>> it's >>>>> kind of a significant thing, especially when I stop and recognize how >>>>> busy >>>> I >>>>> get and how easy it is to just say "poor slob; hope someone somewhere >>>>> can >>>>> figure that out for him," and hit the delete key. So when I say thanks >>>>> for >>>>> writing back, I truly am grateful. >>>>> Where do I even go to activate the plug-in? I assume I have to select >>>>> some >>>>> tape hiss; that's easy enough to do. >>>>> And do you do that before or after you resample? >>>>> Nolan Crabb >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ >>>>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> ] >>>>> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:18 AM >>>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>>> Subject: Re: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>>> Sorry, but the HANDI-CASSETTE has a lot of cross talk by default, >>>>> and nothing in sound forge can correct this. A better way is to use a >>>>> regular stereo cassette dec and record tracks 1 and 4, then turn the >>>>> cassette over and then record sides 2 and 3. This will make a file >>>>> about an hour and a half long, (probably closer to about 84 or 85 >>>>> minutes give or take). In SF you can press tab and get to either the >>>>> left or right side, and you wish to reverse the right channel as you >>>>> know. If you have the SF noise reduction plut-in, it is superlative >>>>> at getting rid of the hiss. The commercial cassette stereo recorder >>>>> has a much better cross talk capability, even a non expensive one. >>>>> Somehow, the HANDI-CASSETTE, in stereo, is pretty lousy in this >>>>> regard. If you use the sound forge noise reduction plut-in, use a >>>>> facility in it which lets you sample the hiss in such a way that it >>>>> is beyond the beginning of the tape and just before the narrator >>>>> begins, and save the setting. You can tweak the settings to get that >>>>> hiss up to 99 db below what it is, and if you do it right, the hiss >>>>> will be virtually gone leaving the recording even better than the >>>>> original, I know, I've done it several hundred times. >>>>> Good luck! >>>>> Curtis Delzer >>>>> At 05:18 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >>>>>> Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >>>> Book >>>>>> Port. So here's the question: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >>>>>> the >>>>>> crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>>>>> handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>>> reverse >>>>>> tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >>>>>> normal, >>>>>> combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >>>> into >>>>>> the Book Port. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >>>>>> hiss >>>> if >>>>>> not the crosstalk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>>>> Trust >>>>>> me, I get that already! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any help you can give. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nolan Crabb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other >>>>>> lists we offer, visit us on the web at >>>>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. To see what other lists >>>>> we >>>>> offer, visit us on the web at >>>>> http://www.MosenExplosion.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 02:26 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >>>>>> Nolan, I have had good results in removing crosstalk by using the >>>>>> Noise Gate function in the SF8 menu. That's Noise Gate rather than >>>>>> Noise Reduction. You need to tinker with the decibel setting - >>>>>> somewhere between -30 and -35 worked best for me without cutting off >>>>>> the speech at the end of phrases, and you still get crosstalk >>>>>> sometimes during the speech, but it made a big difference in the final >>>>>> product. >>>>>> >>>>>> I endorse Curtis's suggestion (posted later) of using a commercial >>>>>> stereo cassette deck, and resampling and reversing tracks to get the >>>>>> final result. It's a little more technically intensive, but the >>>>>> results are worth it. I would love to know Curtis's secret for >>>>>> removing as much hiss as he does with Noise Reduction. I could never >>>>>> achieve those results, which I am sure is more a comment on the >>>>>> operator than on the product. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Nolan Crabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Sound Forge 8 and Noise Reduction Questions >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, all, and thanks in advance for reading this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using Sound Forge 8 to digitize NLS four-track books for use in my >>>>>> Book >>>>>> Port. So here's the question: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to reduce some of the tape hiss I get and to reduce some of >>>>>> the >>>>>> crosstalk that comes about when I record in stereo. (I record using a >>>>>> handi-cassette as my player, record the tapes at double speed, then >>>>>> reverse >>>>>> tracks 3 and 4. I then resample the recordings so the speed is >>>>>> normal, >>>>>> combine the tracks and save them as single MP3 files that I later suck >>>>>> into >>>>>> the Book Port. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do I institute the plug-in that would help reduce at least the >>>>>> hiss if >>>>>> not the crosstalk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Please, no messages about how I need a different player as my source. >>>>>> Trust >>>>>> me, I get that already! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any help you can give. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nolan Crabb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> This list is a service of MosenExplosion.com. 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