I'd like to think I'm wrong as well but sadly (whether you agree nor not) its all too true.
Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Well, I don't agree with the statement "rather than just being content > to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this > isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible," and > yes I did notice the smiley at the end! > > IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the > positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted > counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back > and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing > to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner > on the "sit back and whine" market. > > Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are > more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do > agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and > constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on > the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't > think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my > $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! > > Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand >> songs can be a challenge for the best of us <smile>. Ipod Nanos are >> far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak >> put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), >> more practical as the sound quality is far better. >> >> Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've >> had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback >> about their products rather than just being content to sit back as >> blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, >> that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible <smile>. >> >> So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and >> other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its >> not jut me <smile>. >> >> >> On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: >> >> >>> Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen >>> to >>> music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so >>> long to >>> meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their >>> attitude >>> was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. >>> It's >>> good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility >>> factor but >>> this wasn't the case before. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM >>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've >>>> read, >>>> but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is >>>> connected to >>>> your >>>> PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. >>>> Using >>>> your >>>> default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, >>>> files >>>> are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then >>>> copied to >>>> your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, >>>> you >>>> can >>>> hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having >>>> real >>>> text >>>> to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at >>>> Rockbox gave >>>> us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it >>>> feeds >>>> off >>>> the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. >>>> >>>> Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not >>>> use >>>> text >>>> to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 >>>> years, >>>> where >>>> they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files >>>> that >>>> live >>>> on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. >>>> >>>> In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive >>>> use of >>>> Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will >>>> be able >>>> to >>>> work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for >>>> iTunes >>>> in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this >>>> today >>>> and >>>> am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many >>>> others. >>>> Apple have done a good job here. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Alex Stone >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is >>>> accessible, but >>>> I >>>> haven't seen one, so I don't know. >>>> Cheers >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Lauren >>>> Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Lauren >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM >>>> Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> From Melton Victoria Australia >>>>> mailto:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>>>> phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 >>>>> Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 >>>>> Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 >>>>> MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> skype callto:grtdane12 >>>>> >>>>> ****************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: >>> 10/09/2008 >>> 06:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> ****************************** >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> mailto:Dane Trethowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> phone +61 3 9005 8589 >> Fax/TTY +61 3 9743 7954 >> mobile/sms: +614 418 773 532 >> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> skype: callto:grtdane12 >> ****************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ****************************** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
