If you block ALL cookies, there are many sites you can't get to,
and functions are disabled.  I tried doing that with the MS
websites, and I could not longer access them.  Cookies should
NOT be necessary, and they are NOT necessary just to use a
website!  Some of the news & sports websites put cookies on
your HD the second their homepage loads!  I realize that cookies
are necessary for some 'personalized site features', but when a
site has no personalized web features, they have no business
doing it.  There is NO reason for that, just for a visit to their
homepage!

It's not really a cookie thing that's at issue here, it's MS
*scanning your PC* for personal data, that they
are doing.  Even if you blocked all cookies and still could get
to the update site, this would not stop the site from getting
your PC to send personal data back to MS (contrary to their lying
statement that this "NEVER" happens).  I have my cooking option
set to "high", and it's a real pain at that setting getting to
many websites.  I have to constantly change the setting, since
double-clicking the red - and selecting "always accept cookies
from this site" doesn't work half the time.  I empty the cookies
that do manage to get in my temp net files a few times a week,
and only leave those I need.  Also blocking all cookies will not
stop spying unscrupulous sites from placing items in the registry
and the downloaded program files folder (like Xupiter and Alexa).
I get 'malicious things in those areas just from a SPAM email,
and my security settings are always max'd out.

Yeah that's a good idea to say "NO" to those error warnings, I do
the same.  However you *should* worry about MS spying, it is
going to become a major problem.  What I'm going to start doing,
is getting any Windows OS updates from ELSEWHERE, other than
the "Windows update site".  It can be done.  I'm not about to
have these 'cyber terrorists' suck info off of my computers into
their "massive collection jar".  That's inexcusable.  What is
really horrible about it, and the real point for me, is these
jerks have the unmitigated GALL to actually put that comment
on their webpage while the update site is 'scanning your PC',
that reads "This is done WITHOUT sending any information
back to M$"!!!!!!!  I always doubted that statement, now I see
with good cause.  Those jerks are going to get themselves in
such a legal mess greater than the one they are already in,
that they will go bankrupt.  It will be a $100 billion corporate
class action lawsuit case (plus criminal charges) the likes of
the legal system has NEVER seen in history.  Since Gates
has 60 Billion and counting, it would take about 100 billion to
get anyone's attention.  That case will uncover atrocities that
will stun the world, you mark my words.  I bet they have
dedicated storage area for EACH and every one of us!!!
"Big Brother" is an understatement, this is like a UPC barcode
stamped on a billion people that use their products.  This
must be stopped.  This makes what AOL does look like a
simple "passing hello".  It's never bothered me before,
but I'm finding more and more cases regarding M$ spying and
privacy violations, and you just cannot trust a company that
does that.  The majority of us have absolutely nothing to hide,
however IMO, that's not the point.  I feel as though I'm being
"electronically raped".  That *is* what they are doing to users.
I bet they are getting all this personal info, selling it to
spammers and telema*keting firms so they can harass us.
My 2 cents.  ;-)

No, I didn't read the full article yet, I was waiting to see if
anyone else did, and was able to get it ok.  I'm not familiar
with that payment service, so I'm a bit leery of it's
legitimacy......even though it's only 2 bucks, they could do
something with your CC number.

On a note about SpyBot; I've found that it misses many things
that AdAware finds, AND, AdAware can miss many things that SpyBot
finds!  So, I use both.  Good idea to use both of them.
-Clint

God Bless Us All
Clint Hamilton, Owner
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For those concerned about "spyware" preying on their
systems, simply turn OFF the COOKIES function. If
one wishes to see how many cookie hits are being received just
select the "PROMPT" function on the "Advanced Privacy Settings"
menu. . . .I'll guarantee you that there'll be dozens of Cookie
Prompts.
I Block ALL COOKIES. I don't need, nor do I wish to have these
unnecessary invasions in my system. When I run "Spybot" there's
nothing found, all clean and this is the way it should be.
Whenever I run a program that does require Cookies, like
my financial Programs, I enable the Prompt to receive Cookies
then disable it when finished running the program. This is
usually a ONE time requirement on a new system.
The article on "Spyware" is of an inflammatory nature it would
seem,
so as  to promote SALES of their corporate article. . .greed for
$$$
I don't worry about M$ and their spying. I Ignore those popup
that read "Do you want to notify M$ of this problem??? This is
one's invite to allow M$ access. . .so I always select NO. . .NO.
. .NO
Just my 2-cents.

Ed -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 <Peter Kaulback wrote:>

Did you pay for the article or just read the free pages?

I don't think it will change anything as MS wants to have
subscription
based software sooner than later. One firm I worked for used MS
SMS to read
all desktops within the enterprise, and it was the entire system
too. Every
piece of software legit or not. And this was in 1999 too.

It seems as if the technology is improving. Now if M$ products
weren't so
heavily pirated perhaps they would not engage in these practices,
if this
wasn't MS it might be true.

Just my 2 cents,

Peter Kaulback

In the hour of 12:56 AM 11/03/2003 -0600,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
spoke this:
>That makes me SICK....and not surprising at all.  Thanks for
>the info.  I hope it infuriates others they way it does me.
>Something must be done about these people.
>-Clint
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Now here is an interesting article:
>
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/march-2003/10.php
>
>Roger
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