I put both of your emails in one post.  I seem to remember 
replying to this sometime back, what happened to it?  ;-)

There's two basic types of PS's; AT and ATX.  AT uses a 
"locked" switch on the PS and ATX uses the momentary switch ON 
THE MOBO.  AT has no switch on the rear of the unit where ATX 
does, and that switch on the rear of the ATX must be on always 
in order for the case's front switch to work.

As to why you have to turn your PC on or off in a different 
manner, I can't say.  Unless you changed the switch behavior in 
the BIOS or the 5VSB current is different.

The # of fans in a PS actually doesn't have a lot to do with 
cooling.  It's the heatsinks in the PS that are the main 
determining factor in cooling.  Many times a PS with two fans 
will run hotter than a PS with only one since the former NEEDS 
the fans due to a lack of HeatSinks.  I use the highest rated 
400 watt PS which is also the heaviest PS I've ever seen.  It 
only has one fan and also ran the coolest of all PS's tested. 
This is because it has a massive HS, which is usually one of 
the ways to tell a quality PS (big HS's).  Good brands are 
Fortron-Source, Enermax, Evercool, Turbo Power & Cooling, and 
Antec used to be a good brand but I just had a brand new one go 
out on a customer's PC.  I don't know if that was a one-time 
thing, or their quality has gone down.  You usually get what 
you pay for in a PS.

Regarding the direction of air flow: yeah, like Ben said, 
that's old.  I can't even remember a  PS that blew air IN. 
Since the air in the PS is going to be the hottest in the case, 
the PS takes air from the inside of your case and exhausts that 
air out via IT, the PS, with a fan blowing OUT.  This has a 
two-fold effect; the air in the CASE is cooler than the air 
inside the but it is still warm and needs to exhaust, so it 
goes out via the PS thereby cooling it, and also removing warm 
air from the inside of a case.

Always keep in mind that what you have going in, must be going 
out.  CFM in has to closely equal CFM out.  If not, and CFM IN 
is greater, hot *air* can build up.  If CFM out is greater, 
*heat* can build up since it will be sort of a "vacuum" inside 
the case.  I have a rather warm running setup and I have about 
220 total CFM coming in, AND out.  It never gets above 75DF 
(degrees Fahrenheit) inside my case.  Sounds like a jet engine, 
but it's really cool!  This is probably overkill for a P4 
platform, but not for AMD since they run much hotter.  I also 
prefer a bit overkill than under doing it. 
http://orpheuscomputing.com/computers/case_mods/1.html .  As 
one can imagine, this DOES act like a "vacuum cleaner" so 
filters are a must.  I haven't added the text yet, but you 
should be able to figure things out the thumbnail image 
captions.  (There's no page 6 yet).
-Clint

Happy Thanksgiving to all & God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://OrpheusComputing.com )
http://ComputersCustomBuilt.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I was reading about ATX motherboards and it said.

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a..

a.. The momentary button on the front of the case that powers 
on the system
is supposed to be connected to the motherboard. Unlike AT-style 
systems, it
isn't directly connected to the power supply. Because the ATX 
motherboard is
not physically disconnected from the P/S by the power switch, 
the
motherboard can enter power down mode and be brought back up in 
a short
amount of time. The main shutoff switch is almost always in the 
back of the
power supply, although this feature is becoming more and more 
scarce with
newer units. But holding down the front power switch for a few 
seconds will
also shut off the machine (assuming things are setup that way 
in the BIOS).
Some BIOSes allow an ATX momentary switch to act like an AT 
power switch and
immediately shut off the computer. But the ATX power supply 
still needs to
be attached to the motherboard and not directly to the On/Off 
switch.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't understand that but after I put a new powersupply in my 
computer
what they call a momentary button doesn't have to be pushed 
anymore when I
turn the computer on like before. Before I had to turn the 
power on at the
surge suppressor and then hit the button on the front of the 
computer. Now
just turning on the power at the surge suppressor starts the 
computer
running.

 Since I think the computer is running hotter with this PS I'm 
thinking of
getting a different one. I saw a 400 watt with two fans on sale 
today. Does
a 400 run hotter, is that why it has 2 fans? Am I going from 
bad to worse?
<G>



Something else I just found.

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 The ATX power supply is different in a number of important 
ways. ATX power
supplies and motherboards function at 3.3 volts or lower, 
instead of 5
volts, reducing motherboard cost, energy consumption, and heat 
production.
 >The fan on the power supply is reversed so that it blows air 
into rather
than out of the case, <which helps keep the case clean and 
reduces heat
buildup. This is necessary due to the high heat produced by the 
new
generation of Intel Pentium II/III and AMD processors. The ATX 
power supply
is turned on and off using electronic signaling instead of a 
physical toggle
switch. This allows the computer to be turned on and off using 
software
control, thus improving power management and energy-saving 
features. Because
of this, ATX power supplies must be matched with ATX 
motherboards.

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It blows into rather than out of the case???

Vern 
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