On 10/19/07, Charles Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/18/07, Chuckk Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > olaaaaa, > > > > > > this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... > > > i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. > > > you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead > > > [maybe tired]. > > > > You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like "wet dream" > and > > "gang bang" here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the > list > > whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a > > downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. > > ==troll > > OK, I think calling Yves an instigator (ie. trolling) is neither here > nor there. It's just some dumb little label. You know that it > doesn't add support for or against the point she made.
Honestly I wasn't even sure this sevy was really Yves, and for that matter I know nothing about Yves. As I said- the original statement was completely untrue; and the original poster hasn't responded to that fact. I honestly did not believe the subject was a problem on this list. > Don't get so caught up on "facts"--the perception and subjective > experience of discrimination/bias is just as important. And subjective. Which is to say anyone can experience it. The grass is always greener on the other side. As a feeling it's perfectly valid, like all feelings. and your point is made more clear later on: > > > > i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women > > > feel the need to create their own structures and events, > > > and why we go straight to separatism, > > > separate women and men, > > ..... > > > so why we should have different agendas? > > > one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore. > > which is plainly valid. Other people have added their experiences > that give a broader picture of what's going on, and support this > reason. > .... and outside the art or programming worlds, there is still a great > need for feminism, whether or not you want to call it that. I won't > try to back this up, I don't think I could adequately explain. Well like I said, I'd rather try to understand the mechanism behind something than to judge those involved. IMO you can't have a broader picture and pronounce judgments at the same time. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
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