Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

After playing with ezoutput~, I have a few thoughts:

1. A [change] after [route dsp] in the dsp logic subpatch. At least on windows, the slider motion is sluggish because of constant color messages to the tgl. 2. Allow the slider to go to zero, maybe with a [- 0.01] between the slider and the [pack].

Good ideas.  Done!

ezoutput~.pd
Description: Binary data

3. I think a label for the mute button would be nice (could just be my own personal preference, though).

I tried, but the font just seemed too small, especially on Pd-vanilla.

.hc

-Jonathan


--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@eds.org> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@eds.org>
Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>

Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:10 PM
The current [output~] is not easy to use, lots of people
have trouble with it.  Scrolling in a number box is not a
standard GUI interaction, and not particularly intuitive.

.hc

On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

Cc: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoel...@iem.at>, "Pd List" <pd-list@iem.at >

Why not use Miller's output~ as the default in

pd-ext?

I like the fact that the tutorials have both an

abstraction and a subpatch for output, and it might be nice
to have another gop that uses a slider as in your proposed
abstraction.

I think it would additionally be nice to have

something like the attached somewhere in the tutorials,
which is just a clone of your ezoutput~ using data
structures.  It would helpful when someone gets to the ds
tutorial to be able to have an abstraction they've
already been using to show as an example.  The ds stuff is
separated from the rest of the patch for that reason, though
maybe something simpler would make a better example (at
least as much as possible without using abstractions).

-Jonathan


--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner

<h...@eds.org> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@eds.org>
Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig"

<zmoel...@iem.at>

Cc: "Pd List" <pd-list@iem.at>
Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:49 PM
On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig

wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

So if we are introducing the concept of

objects

and GUI in Pd, then I think it is safe to use GOP

objects.

After all, we don't expect newbies to know

anything

about C or Tcl, but that's under it it all.  I

don't

think we should add an output~ to help patches

that

don't already have them.  I just think we

should have a

more intuitive and usable output~.  The current

one already

uses GOP, so that's not a change.

i fully agree.
and would like to stress, that i am pretty

sure that

most users will not have a clue about gop when

they first

encounter the [output~] module (be it a new one or

the

original one).

at least i cannot seem to find any

documentation about

gop prior to 3/A.05; nevertheless i think it is a

good idea

to use a gop-abstraction here.

fgmasdr
IOhannes

Anyone else want to weigh in on this?  I'd

like to

lobby Miller to get this included in

'extra' at

least, then also used in the help and

docmentation.

.hc

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