On May 4, 2011, at 1:24 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2011-05-04 18:18, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Using Pd-extended 0.43.1-20110430 on Mac OS X I don't see this
behvaior
with Gem or gridflow. The helpbrowser.tcl code is the same between
pure-data and pd-extended.
the problem also appears with "cxc" (as shipped with debian)
as soon as the user adds /usr/lib/pd/extra/cxc to their search paths,
you get both cxc/ and all cxc-abstractions in the rootwindow of the
help-browser.
the problem also appears with Pd-0.43.1-extended-debian-squeeze-i386.
afaik, it is perfectly valid to add the path to a library to your
search
paths (even if your personal workflow might be different), as a matter
of fact, this was the suggested way to load libdirs in PdX until
recently. it seems weird that this will now degrade the usability of
the
help browser.
This problem stems from the fact that -path and -lib have been muddled
in concept. To make it clear, -path should should set a folder to
load libraries and externals from, and -lib should load a library into
the global namespace. If we are treating abstractions like full
fledged objects, then loading a library with abstractions should also
load the abstractions into the global space with you do -lib. That's
what the libdir loader/format solves.
You choose to ignore the libdir loader, but its in Debian too. If one
runs the below command, the cxc would load as a library and the
abstractions would be treated the same:
pd -lib libdir -lib cxc
IMHO, loaders should not need to be loaded like a library, but should
instead go into pd/startup where they would be automatically loaded
when pd starts. This is how Pd-extended 0.43 does it. Then you could
have a library of C binaries, abstractions, lua files, Tcl files, etc.
You could load it like "pd -lib mymixedlib" and all of the objects
would be loaded into the namespace more or less the same way.
fgamdr
IOhannes
PS: very minor sidenote
$ diff /usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl/helpbrowser.tcl
/usr/lib/puredata/tcl/helpbrowser.tcl
Files /usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl/helpbrowser.tcl and
/usr/lib/puredata/tcl/helpbrowser.tcl differ
The size of the difference is meaningful, don't hide the text of the
diff! It is only to add the "Manuals" section. There is no
difference in functionality.
.hc
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