On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard <ma...@artengine.ca> wrote:
> Is it bleeding or is that just something said from the perspective of > innocence, as if in a previous world, logic would have been complete ? > If a complete and consistent self-referential logic system is impossible, > then this is something that has to be accepted as having been always true, > and our conception of the world has to be rebraided according to that > truth. It's not useful to keep holding an old ideal of universality that > looks like a measuring stick with which we assess an increasing rift > between our fantasies and the consciousness of our own limits. > > Gödel in the Garden of Eden bites into the fruit of [...] and it all went > downhill from there. ;) It's not the noble savage thing I'm arguing there Mat, Few things that come to my mind.... It's not downhill. Okay, my "wound" poetic was a bit strong, maybe I should have said the box couldn't be closed or something. A better metaphor is to say it's uphill all the way, that as we climb higher the mountain gets narrower until one day you are standing on a peak with nowhere to run. Secondly it's unthinkable, by definition. How to contemplate the ineffable price we paid for reason and language, using reason and language? Lastly I would be most inclined towards Rousseau in regard to rebraiding, not a return to a state of nature "to live with lions and bears", but to move beyond mere instrumental reason to a kinder more compassionate position that subsumes logic, with all its flaws, into it. a. -- Andy Farnell <padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk> _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list