Thanks for chiming in!

Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails.
That's what I figured.

especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself.
Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these things work on macOS.)

Christof

On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may 
possible also need an os version check, hopefully not.

The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy 
one that used to be included with macOS itself.

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On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. 
The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in windows 
was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 
8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget.

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Dan Wilcox
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On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi <i...@christofressi.com> wrote:


basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using 
tabs.
Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me...

Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the 
"official" macOS app bundle?

Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to work?

I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to hide 
them from the user by default...

(At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on Windows and 
Linux :-)

Christof

On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote:
First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-)

I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! Thanks 
IOhannes!

Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This feels 
very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed preferences... 
(I find them rather grotesque).
basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using 
tabs.
so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is still 
somewhat useable)



gmds
IOhannes

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