Yup, and we already have such checks for the ttk stuff at the top of pd-gui.tcl. If tabs aren’t supported, then dialogs and their related menu items should be added, otherwise the single menu item for the preferences.
enohp ym morf tnes ----------- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > On Jun 21, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Christof Ressi <i...@christofressi.com> wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying! > > Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be > a viable solution. > >> On 21.06.2023 13:39, Dan Wilcox wrote: >> It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could >> always build using a different Tk which could lead to issues. Also, people >> trying to run Pd on the command line from the build folder without making an >> app bundle end up using the system Tk. This works ok for testing basic >> things but is bad news for normal usage. >> >> enohp ym morf tnes >> ----------- >> Dan Wilcox >> danomatika.com >> robotcowboy.com >> >> >>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Christof Ressi <i...@christofressi.com> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for chiming in! >>> >>>> Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. >>> That's what I figured. >>> >>>> especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. >>> Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these >>> things work on macOS.) >>> >>> Christof >>> >>>> On 21.06.2023 12:42, Dan Wilcox wrote: >>>> I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may >>>> possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. >>>> >>>> The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the >>>> buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. >>>> >>>> enohp ym morf tnes >>>> ----------- >>>> Dan Wilcox >>>> danomatika.com >>>> robotcowboy.com >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform >>>>> fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host >>>>> dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. >>>>> building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. >>>>> >>>>> enohp ym morf tnes >>>>> ----------- >>>>> Dan Wilcox >>>>> danomatika.com >>>>> robotcowboy.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Christof Ressi <i...@christofressi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when >>>>>>> using tabs. >>>>>> Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the >>>>>> "official" macOS app bundle? >>>>>> >>>>>> Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known >>>>>> to work? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the tabbed preferences are just so nice and it would be shame to >>>>>> hide them from the user by default... >>>>>> >>>>>> (At the very least, we should use tabbed preference by default on >>>>>> Windows and Linux :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Christof >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21.06.2023 00:07, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/20/23 20:35, Christof Ressi wrote: >>>>>>>>> First off: thanks Miller for this historic release :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just discovered the new tabbed preferences and I really like them! >>>>>>>>> Thanks IOhannes! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Question: why do we have both tabbed and non-tabbed preferences? This >>>>>>>>> feels very weird to me. I don't see any advantages in the non-tabbed >>>>>>>>> preferences... (I find them rather grotesque). >>>>>>> basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when >>>>>>> using tabs. >>>>>>> so I needed a fallback for this case anyhow (that, albeit grotesque, is >>>>>>> still somewhat useable) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gmds >>>>>>> IOhannes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
