Carlos Royo wrote:

> Please explain to us what you mean when you write "young 
> and wild camera". ...
> it (MZ-S) seems to me the kind of camera we have been 
> longing for: light, small, sturdy, with almost every useful 
> feature needed for nearly everyone.

That's a 100% subjective view and a truncated citation. My comment 
was: "the MZ-S is definitely not for the ones wanting a young 
and wild camera at an attractive price (e.g. Minolta 7)", and was 
based on Texdances comment that the MZ-S will become a big hit.

> if I were you, Ralf, I would buy a Canon, and there's no pun 
> intended in this. It is a sincere advice. 

Here we are at the topic: Most brands offer different types of 
cameras for different attitudes. The 15 years lasting and the 5 years 
lasting one, the no-nonsense and the latest tech stuff one. At Pentax 
this is not possible. They always jump around in their model policy, 
and you will never know whether the camera type you like will be 
still available or even updated in some years. 

> My Z-1 will be 9 years old in a few months time, and it is 
> working happily like the very first day, the same thing about 
> my almost 13 year old SFX. I bet those Canons wouldn't stand 
> the travels, bumps, Sahara or Thar dessert, jungles, or other 
> ordeals they have had to live through.

I would say the same about my 8 years old Z-20. However, others talk 
about Z-series cameras as if they fell apart any second since in 
their eyes these are Canon copies. They are not. In fact, MZ-5 & co. 
are EOS 500 copies (the first small size / dial control camera, 
introduction 1993). The company that stood the small size/low 
weight trend for the longest time was indeed Nikon. However, such 
camera historic analysis is not very welcome here. But the result of 
all this and Pentax new market niche is MZ-S. This won't be a problem 
- the $1200 guys deserve a camera as much as any other group. 
However, it seems that other price classes/camera types will 
disappear now from the Pentax lineup, and this includes cameras in 
the technically capable mid class, a class I always have found 
especially attractive.

As far as F80 is concerned - I have enjoyed mine very well. I know 
all the early series flaws and the built drawbacks. So far, mine has 
not shown the typical diseases, but in case it will, I will write a 
nice complain letter to Nikon for sure. BTW, I am sure they will 
introduce a improved F85 in a not too far future, especially since 
the F90 is discontinued now. I won't complain, since I have bought 
the F80 exact to have certain features for the lowest possible price, 
so I accept the moderate built quality without having a problem with 
this. So far I had 9 months of good fun with this camera, and since 
MZ-S is announced for June here and I am currently not ready to 
justify for myself a camera expense in this price range, I think F80 
will continue to pay back for me. That's maybe the biggest difference 
in our discussion. I don't need anything. However, I am ready to 
change whatever components if I have a clear benefit. My heart does 
not depend on the F80 (or a FA* 600mm). Others really need an 
advanced camera, since they have planned such a purchase since years 
and Pentax didn't offer anything. Of course they think different 
about the MZ-S.

I somehow feel this discussion might be futile though, but I had the 
impression I should add some thoughts from Planet N nevertheless.


Ralf
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