Try it, you'll like it.
On Sep 15, 2004, at 9:34 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Gracious? You cant be serious! They take away full support
from your high performance expensive perfectly good K/M lenses for no
reason and you call that gracious? Absurd.
Think about it, When pentax designed the A series and
F series lenses and bodies, they did not abandon K/M
in any way. They offered new features and fully supported old
ones. This *istD and a few very cheap older Pentax models, don't offer
anything NEW in terms of the lens functions, YET they
offer LESS with the K/M lenses. that is the exact opposite of
what they did before.
This is retrograde. I am in favor of abanding old lens
mounts/functions if what you get in return is more valuable than
what you give up , but with the istD lens functions, NOTHING was
gained.
ONLY LOSS.
The age of the older lenses has ZERO to do with it. There
isnt anything there instead of the aperture sensing cam.
If there was then that would be another story. If a K/M
lens can fit, then it can be supported. Proof was all the
A series and F series bodies that supporte A, F and K/M
simultaneously.
JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical
linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of
the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to
encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious
enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera
manufacturer has done that.
Paul
On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed
their lens mounts, they changed their new camera
to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses
can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning
these features it would be one thing but nothing was
gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace
perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called
PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business
practice.
JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M
lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who
owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it
before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary
addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On
Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements.
Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any
technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
Dude,
Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows
you to use 30+ year old lenses? That is the beauty of
the Pentax system. If you want full compatibility,
then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do
with Nikon, Canon, etc.
For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD. You
can't beat the market prices and picture quality of
Pentax M&K lenses!
--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more
like one shot AE with exposure lock only.
Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K
lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE
both open aperture for approximately the last 30
years. You say you want to move forward with digital
but this major operational feature removal is
acceptable?
JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It does what amounts to aperture priority with a
simple push of the
green button. It will set the shutter speed
automatically, so you really
have only one motion to complete, pushing the
button. I don't understand
why some feel this is difficult. I do it in
situations with constantly
changing exposure and have never experienced a
problem or felt
inconvenienced.
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
It now does open aperture metered manual and
Aperure Priority AE, -ON
THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did?
JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine
works fine with K and
M lenses. I use them nearly every day.
"as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it
could get any worse.
It should get better, not worse. Not fully
supporting the "K" mount
is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K
and M lenses that are
being crippled by pentax *istD for zero
technical reasons. But this
is old argument.... JCO
-----Original Message-----
From: Shel Belinkoff
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera!
While I understand that it's too early to make
final judgments, is
there anything to suggest that the support won't
be as good?
Shel
From: Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Only if the K/M support is at least as good as
the *ist-D has now.
Hmmm .... just thinking out loud here ...
that M24~35 zoom in the
equipment
drawer should make a pretty nice "normal"
lens for the istDS.
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