Sorry Wigwam but you have got it all WRONG. Ebay is like any other mail order purchase. the seller has to deliver what he advertised. The buyer is NOT "taking his chances" when he buys something there. The seller must deliver what he claimed he was going to deliver. IF the item is signifigantly different ( i.e. not working properly when the seller claimed it does) then the buyer has a right to refund or to negoiate a lower price, that's not "dishonest" that's a simple settlement of the discrepancy. OF course the seller doesn't have to agree to sell for less, but then he must take the item back for FULL refund and in my honest opinion also pay the return shipping costs too because its solely his fault for falsely advertising the item to begin with....
I don't know why you think that just because the format is auction that the buyer doesn't expect and deserve to get what he bought as adverstised. That's fundamental to all mail order business, the seller cant just make false claims to sell something and then ship whatever junk he wants because it was an "auction" sale. JCO -----Original Message----- From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:20 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition What you are describing is extortion. Negotiating after the fact in an auction is dishonest. Again, I am not talking about fraud. I agree that the word 'perfect' should not be used - anyone can essentially say that something is 'not perfect' and be correct. I should not have used it and I had it broken off up inside me for using it. Never again. When you buy something at retail, you have an expection that it will be as described - you'll be able to use it as you imagine you will, as the seller claims you will. When you buy something at auction, you are participating in a risk/reward scheme. You may get something great for nearly nothing - you may get junk and have to pay for it. That is the nature of an auction. Ebay is an online auction. It's called 'pay your money and take your chance.' You don't get to have it both ways - great deals AND guaranteed satisfaction - unless the seller is willing to go that extra mile and offer it as an incentive. Try going to a county farmer's auction where I live. Buy something at auction, pay for it, take it home. Bring it back at the next auction and demand your money back. You'll be lucky if all you get is laughed at. That's not how auctions work, and people understand that around here. -------Original Message------- > From: "Joaquim Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition > Sent: 15 Jun 2005 14:11:09 > > On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 18:14, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Yes, there are people who use the fear of negative feedback to try > to > get a post-purchase discount this way. My policy is to offer > full refund > (less shipping) or nothing. It's sad that it's come to > this but there's > not much else you can do. > > As a seller I'd rather make a small discount for something that is > genuinely not as described than a full refund. Fear of bad feedback > works both ways and is what keeps Ebay working. In short, people just > have to be honest and to demand that other people are honest. > > "perfect condition" is subjective: I would describe my MX camera to > be in perfect condition but as it has a few nicks here and there some > other would people say it is only in "very good condition" -------Original Message-------
