I respectfully disagree with your assements.
I specifically said REMOVING KEY FEATURES
is a not a cost reduction, it's a new lower
level model. Changing a washer from nylon
to steel while not desireable from the build quality standpoint
you describe, is NOT REMOVING A KEY FEATURE
of the car like going from automatic transmisson
to manual transmission which is a MUCH BETTER
analogy..


Secondly, the green button stop down manual thingy is NOT
the same function as open aperture AE, this has been discussed
over and over and over and the loss
of AE on really nice PENTAX
BRAND K/M lenses cant be justified with a dumb
$5 part removal that causes major functional
losses on these K/M lenses which are millions of
PENTAX SLR systems components in the field..
This IS a screwjob (if pentax sticks to it) because
to stop support of millions of fine lenses
( approx half of all they have made) of a key
feature for a dirt cheap part ommision is just
plain that, a screwjob...If the part was expensive
or the K/M lenses were rare or the function lost
was very minor that would be one thing but all
of these things are simply not the case...
JCO

-----Original Message-----
From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:13 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)


Yeah, they (american car companies) did that continuously in the 70's 
and 80's until quality got so bad that they had to reverse course, 
because foreign companies were eating their lunch with higher 
reliability cars.  A typical savings was replacing a nylon washer (meant 
to isolate a metal/metal contact) like on brake line/body attachment 
points, with a steel (and cheaper) washer.  Result: rust at the point of 
contact, ultimately resulting in a failing or deteriorating brake system.

Lesson: companies will do pretty much anything to reduce manufacturing 
cost, even if it means reducing features.  As long as the cost reduction 
benefits exceed the true market value of the feature they reduced or 
eliminated.  True market value is the *perceived* value of the feature 
to the company going *forward*.  The aperture sensor thing did not 
*completely* (note: this is typical netiquette if you want to emphasize 
a word, not all caps, which usually indicates shouting) cripple the 
lenses, you can still take pictures, and I do take some very good pics 
with my K/M lenses.  The green button fix is not a perfect solution, but 
its not the "pentax screwed their customers" situation that is being 
argued here.

rg


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Whats suprising about that? Its always better to
> eliminate ANY unneeded cost, even a quarter in
> a $30,000 car but that's about pure cost reduction while maintaining 
> or improving the design features and performance, not removing key 
> features or degrading performance, that's not cost reduction, that's 
> new lower level model.. jco
> 
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