God I hate Vista or this Thinkpad. Every 9th or 10th post my composed message goes away. I know I'm hitting a wrong key, frack.
That image does nothing for me, but that's subjectivity. I can see why it would have appeal. IMO high ISO film was generally used as a compromise so either high enough shutter speed or small enough aperture (DOF) could be achieved with existing lighting, often to avoid the use of flash. I've also taken high ISO pictures that I've been happy with. OTOH, whether they work well as larger prints is another question. For example: http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm My point was not to condemm high ISO images across the board. It was to say that generally one uses the lowest ISO possible to achieve the results they want. Image quality (again could be subjective to some) generally degrades as ISO or sensitivity goes up. Therefore, as in years past, I did not very often shoot at ISO 1600 or above, and will not do so now with DSLR's because the results are generally inferior. So all I really care about is great results at 800 and below. Tom C. >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:13:28 -0400 > >A shot that I consider one of the best of my career was at 3200. But >I don't get all bent out of shape about noise or grain. Apparently, >some critics agree. >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/index-flash.jsp? >#section=ARTIST&subSection=101957&subSubSection=128514&language=EN >Paul >On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Tom C wrote: > > > With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... > > > > I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 > > ISO any > > day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO > > performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or > > higher > > with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot > > otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. > > > > Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many > > times I was > > pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering > > ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. > > > > I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of > > DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. > > > > Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave > > about? > > For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower > > ISO and a > > tripod. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next > >> camera(s) > >> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >> Adam Maas wrote: > >> > >>> Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO > >> performance > >>> (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). > >> > >> Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's > >> been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate > >> from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. > >> > >> Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. > >> > >> BTW: > >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? > >> forum=1036&message=25298198 > >> ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
