You only have to do it once.

not actually true...  but never mind right now....

In all the more-recent Optios I used to sell, you only had to set the Memory options once and they'd stick. Whatever it was that allowed the camera to keep time when you changed the battery also held those memory functions.

You have to remember, P&S cameras are not made to appeal to advanced
photographers like us.  They're made for lowest-common-denominator
users, and as such have to be as simple and user friendly as possible.


Alas, they are not in any way "simple and user friendly"

A true point and shoot  is a throw away camera that has a fixed focal
length and speed and DOF....

True P&S? That's BS. What you describe is a single-use P&S camera, a bare-bones snapshot-producing piece of plastic. Point-and-shoot cameras are any cameras that are primarily fully automatic, small, cheap, and lacking interchangeable lenses. There is no rule that says they have to be simple, so anything from a single-use camera to a Leica CM to your former W60 can fall into this category.

The w60,for instance, comes with a book that has over 100 pages!   They
want you to read the whole
book first!

I don't think any manufacturer truly expects anyone to actually read a user's manual. This is why every camera you will buy these days is set to be usable right out of the box. This is also why the cameras will reset to these default settings when you shut them off. They tell you to read the manual so they don't get sued when someone tries to cram a AA battery in the SD slot.

I have several friends who thought they would like digital for the
obvious reasons -- no film charges, ease
of getting prints, fits in your pocket, SIMPLE TO USE....  the Z10 and
The W60 both have tons of confusing
choices  aimed at  us, actually - they want to put it all in one.

For better or worse there has been a camera feature arms race going on ever since digital cameras became affordable, and this arms race causes more features to be crammed into smaller and smaller packages. The nice thing, though, is that:

You Don't Have To Understand All The Features To Use The Camera!

Forget taking movies, who cares about digital zoom settings or silly color filters. Point and shoot and look at the photo you've just taken. Nice and easy, because the camera is set to automatic.

Pentax and other companies have to assume that someone taking snapshots
is going to want the camera to perform exactly the same way every time
they use it, so they make the camera reset itself unless someone like
you tells it not to.

No one over  30, does, I guarantee.....   these cameras are designed for
people who grew up with computers
and like cutsey pie little icons... they may know nothing about
lighting, timing, composing, but they do seem to
like to have lots of little buttons to push...

This is so not true. I used to sell cameras to people from the local retirement community as well as the local high schools and everyone in between. Every customer had their preferences, of course, but there was no indication that older customers had issues with "cutsey pie little icons", nor was there any indication that younger customers knew nothing about the skills you mentioned. Matter of fact, younger users were more likely to know photography than their parents and grandparents, in my experience.

Pentax tried to make a camera especially to appeal to EVERYONE... and
that is what is screwed up.

Perhaps you should try a camera from the Optio E series. They're the simplest cameras Pentax makes. They take AA batteries, the power button is miles from the shutter button, and it has the SUPER-user-friendly "Green Mode" button. Sounds like it would be right up your alley, except it doesn't have a viewfinder. I think you're SOL in that regard.

The whole world of technology today is a disaster in terms of user
friendliness - ironic at a time when
there are more and more baby boomers or old folk....

The "old folk" demographic is not a major one for tech manufacturers, despite the perception of your age group being large and influential. The people buying stuff are much younger than you, thus there is little incentive for products to conform to your needs. Your age group doesn't have nearly as much influence as the 18-35 demographic. Besides, the Kodak EasyShare system is already targeted at "old folks" and technophobes, so that niche is probably as filled as it's going to get.

no one I know, regardless of age,
consider the Tv Controls of today are
better , for instance

*shrug* Idunno, I can always figure them out. Trial-and error works for me, but then I don't have cable anymore and only use my TV for DVDs and the Wii.

See, this is why I tell everyone I know to buy potentially-complicated things in a specialty store. That way you AT LEAST have a salesperson that can teach you how to use the item when you buy it, and help you out later when you get stuck.

Also, it keeps good people in business. A few of my former camera shop coworkers just got laid off today from ANOTHER camera store that's likely closing soon, this time in San Francisco.

John

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