Personally I think the person depicted comes across as a greedy and brutal figure in 2009. Not very flattering at all.
I came across Newman's picture first time about 15 years ago. In a tutorial about photographic lighting. The picture came with an anecdote about Newman staging the picture just so to make a photographer's comment about the man. It also told that Newman was jewish, and that Krupp was outraged when he saw the picture. It didn't mention Krupp as a convicted war criminal. Jostein 2009/4/12 Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com>: > Bob, > I read 'The Arms of Krupp' in the '60, all 1,000+ pages. I know who > the man was. > That's a photo for the annual report. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Bob W <p...@web-options.com> wrote: >>> Is it a character study? Perhaps the subject and >>> photographer thought so, maybe >>> even the general public in 1962. Today in 2009, I see a pretty >>> picture of an older executive. >> >> I think you are seriously missing the point about that picture. >> >> Bob >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On >>> Behalf Of Bob Sullivan >>> Sent: 11 April 2009 21:42 >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: PESO - portrait of a young man >>> >>> Bob, >>> Another red herring! >>> Ths Krupp shot is obviously heavily staged as a portrait with the >>> subjects cooperation. >>> Is it a character study? Perhaps the subject and >>> photographer thought so, maybe >>> even the general public in 1962. Today in 2009, I see a pretty >>> picture of an older executive. >>> Regards, Bob S. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Bob W <p...@web-options.com> wrote: >>> > That's a very interesting difference in how we use the >>> words. So, to give an >>> > example, you would not consider Arnold Newman's photograph >>> of Krupp to be a >>> > portrait? If so, it goes very strongly against the way the word is >>> > understood in British English at the very least. >>> > >>> > I have never noticed such a distinction in American or >>> Canadian writing >>> > about photography. >>> > >>> > You can see Newman's picture of Krupp on the PDN page for Newman >>> > (http://www.pdngallery.com/legends/newman/). Under Portraits! ;o) >>> > >>> > Bob >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Around here, the meaning of portrait and character study are much >>> >> more like Bill has said. Perhaps it has meaning based on >>> the intent. >>> >> In a character study, one is trying to bring out something >>> more about >>> >> the person than just the exterior view. In a portrait one >>> is trying >>> >> to show a pleasing view of the exterior. >>> >> >>> >> Perhaps another way to think of it is that portraits are regularly >>> >> asked for and paid for by the subject. Character studies >>> may not be. >>> >> I'm sure in different parts of the world, there is a difference of >>> >> meaning of these words. And, at times, even with >>> different meanings, >>> >> a single photograph could show both. One of the easiest >>> tests of the >>> >> portrait success is if the subject is happy with the image. >>> >> >>> >> So Jostein, has the subject seen this image and what did he think? >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Bruce >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:23:39 AM, you wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> 2009/4/9 William Robb <war...@gmail.com>: >>> >> >> > Had you called it a character study, then I would >>> have commented >>> >> >> > differently. You called it a portrait, and that had a great >>> >> >> deal to do with >>> >> >> > my response to it. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> hmm... >>> >> >> That's interesting. Didn't cross my mind that the word >>> "portrait" >>> >> >> primed people that much. Or maybe that my understanding of >>> >> the word is >>> >> >> that deviant... :-) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Another lesson learned, hopefully. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >snip< >>> >> >>> >> BW> I always think of 'character study' and 'portrait' as >>> >> synonymous. To me the >>> >> BW> whole point of a portrait is to reveal something of the >>> >> person's character >>> >> BW> to the viewer. 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