Larry, Sigma produces 20,24 and 28mm 'macro'  Full frame lenses. All
are all f/1.8 and have an aperture ring :)
I can post some pictures if you want, taken with the 28/1.8. The nice
things about those is the very very close focussing distance (hence
'macro') which combined with the f/1.8 renders some very interesting
DOF effects.
I wouldn't call those sharpest lenses ever produced wide open tough.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:05:33PM -0600, Thomas Cakalic wrote:
>> Not arguing or being argumentative, but if one already has two zooms
>> that start at 18mm, then buying additional zooms that have a wide
>> limit of 1 or 2 mm more is not getting him much, maybe a little speed,
>
> In theory, the 16-50 is a lot sharper than my 18-250, which is sharper
> than my 18-55. It's also about 2/3 stop faster (3.5 vs 2.8).
>
>> depending on the lens. However, if the intent in purchasing is to use
>> it mainly as a wide angle, then a fast prime makes more sense in my
>> book, but then I'm not spending the money.
>
> I do like "fast primes", and that's what I mostly shoot with. However
> until Boris mentioned the Sigma 20/1.8 I didn't know of much that was
> wider than 30 and faster than 2.8.
>
> >From what I hear, the 16-50 is as sharp as a prime, and apart from the
> sigma mentioned above, as fast as anything shorter than 30mm. The
> weather sealing is also a big plus.
>
>>
>> I hear "plenty fast" and things like that.  How fast a lens is and
>> whether it's speed is satisfactory is dependent largely on shooting
>> conditions, is it not?  I'd want the fastest lens
>> available/affordable, because just when you think your lense is fast
>> enough, it's not.
>
> If f/3.5 were fast enough at 18, I could get by with the 18-250,
> despite it's lack of sharpness, which isn't really that bad for a lot
> of work. But, I keep wanting something faster than it, especially for
> night photography.
>
>
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