On 6/1/2010 11:33 AM, Tom C wrote:
Having checked the stats...

In 2007... children aged:

<1................... 57 drownings
1-4.................. 458 drownings (#1 rank of deaths by
unintentional injury for 2007 in this age group)
5-9.................. 122 drownings

apparently people get stupider as they age as opposed to smarter for a while...

I wouldn't say they get stupider as they age, in some ways more clever and better able to implement poorly thought out plans.

10-14............... 102
15-19............... 630

and the numbers hover in the 300's/400's on up through all ages

#1 cause of unintentional injuring causing death, all ages...

Motor vehicle accidents...

Drive safe.






On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Tom C<caka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
Having thought again after what you wrote Peter,  I now feel there is no
solution that is enforceable for the problem.

A technology based approach does not guarantee the problem still won't occur
the same way education does not guarantee it.

Statistically I'd guess more children die from drowning in swimming pools
each year.

(Not saying this is unimportant, which is the whole reason Paul wrote the
article.)

Tom C

On Jun 1, 2010 7:56 AM, "P. J. Alling"<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Boris, you equate my dislike of government control with a dislike of
technology?  I can't even think of words about how wrong headed that is.
  Your examples don't even make particular sense.  We've gotten away from the
issue.

Here is the contention.

   Parents are forgetting their toddlers in cars, who are then dying from
heat prostration.

       Your answer, force every person buying a car to have a special warning
device installed to remind parents that their child is in the car.

        My contention, is that this makes no sense.  I didn't do an
exhaustive search but the numbers I was able to find suggest this is a very
rare occurrence.
         (In the US this happened 27 times a year on average, for the last 10
years, in a country with a populations over 300,000,000).

         I also believe that Government better have a pretty compelling
reason to force citizens to do anything, and this just doesn't rise to that
level, yes it's a tragedy, but it's in the realm of personal not public.

          You disagree but your main argument seems to be that Government
makes us to a lot of stupid things that cost money so what's just one more.

           I disagree and point out that there may even be an existing
technological solution that requires only a bit of effort on your part.

           You tell me I'm against technology?

           Boris, I love you man, but give me a break.

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On 6/1/2010 1:35 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 5/31/2010 5:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I won...


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