And Ford is doing darn well. They just introduced a global Focus that's a very 
nice car. The ST version has 246 horsepower and should get 30 mpg highway. 
They've also started exporting Edges to China. That's in addition to the 44,000 
cars they built in China last year. Of course GM is doing well also. I believe 
Buick is the top selling import in China. 
Paul
On Sep 18, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

> And remember FORD DIDN'T TAKE THE MONEY !    ; + )
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "P N Stenquist" <pnstenqu...@comcast.net>
> 
> Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:49 PM, William Robb wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "P N Stenquist"
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Both of those actions helped prevent the country, and the city in which I 
>>>> live, from going belly up. In terms of the auto bailouts,  GM is now 
>>>> thriving, and hiring people. Chrysler is close to being  on an even keel 
>>>> as well. Without the bailouts, Detroit would have  become a living hell.
>>> 
>>> Has it occurred to you that the reason GM and Chrysler needed  bailouts is 
>>> because they make junk vehicles and because they have an unsustainable 
>>> business model?
>> 
>> Who are you to contend is right! GM has made tremendous progress.  Their 
>> previous "business model" was the result of big labor beating  them up for 
>> half a century. No more.
>> 
>> I'm engaged in some deep research on new engine designs. You'd be surprised 
>> to learn who the laggards are.
>> 
>> In any case, this discussion ended amicably, and in the interest of 
>> preserving that truce, I'll have no more to say.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't believe any of the Japanese auto makers got bail outs, even though 
>>> they are all manufacturing in the USA now, and I didn't hear about Ford 
>>> (who actually seems to try to make a decent vehicle)  getting any bail out 
>>> money either.
>>> 
>>> William Robb
>>> 
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