Paul via phone
> On Dec 8, 2013, at 6:47 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I believe you missed my point Larry. The tut-tutting and head-shaking are > about FB's decision to flag the photo and suspend the account. I'm fine with > the photo, as I suspect every reasonable person would be. > > However, you think a barechested adult male is viewed the same way as a > barechested female? Really? > > Is that why we've fetishized the female breast? Is that why Hooters is one of > the most successful bar/restaurant chains in North America? Hooters is tongue-in-cheek sexism. No bare breasts there. Much less exposure than at the beach. > Is that why women pay thousands (sometimes funded by their salivating male > partners) to enhance the size of their breasts for no functional advantage > whatsoever? > > I'm not saying that that the female breast is "dirty" or obscene or anything > of the sort. > > But to say that they aren't sexualized or that there's no difference between > the male and the female chest is naive at best, disingenuous at worst. > > Cheers, > frank > > Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 04:11:29PM -0500, knarf wrote: >>> Yes, I said that, and of course: >>> >>> 1) I was talking about adults, although lord knows kids much younger >> than her have been sexualized through kiddie beauty pageants and the >> like, and, >>> >>> 2) I was talking about society's view of nudity not my personal view. >>> >>> That being said there is obviously nothing wrong or sexual about this >> photo. >>> >>> Sometimes I think that people do crap like this in hopes that some >> people will get all up-in-arms and yell and scream about political >> correctness run amok. So yes, an obviously stupid decision that we can >> all tut-tut about and shake our heads at and wonder what the hell they >> were thinking. >> >> I think that in this case it was a mom showing off a cute picture of >> her daughter. >> >> >>> >>> But in the end what does it mean or prove? And what does it have to >> do with our earlier thread on nudity and sexualization and disparity in >> gender portrayals? >> >> There are people who can sexualize *anything*, and if we let the >> attitudes >> of the few dictate the actions of the many, then nobody can do >> anything. >> >>> >>> Here's a question you may want to ask: would we all be crowing were >> this a photo of a 21 year old with a skinny waist and 36 inch bustline? >> Would anyone dare say there's nothing sexual about that photo? >> >> If a photo of a bare chested 21 year old man can be not sexual, then >> one >> of a 21 year old woman can also be not sexual. There are people that >> would >> sexualize one of Darby's street photos of a pretty girl smoking more >> than >> they would of the same girl topless in a recreation of the photo I >> linked to. >> >> Don't believe me? google "smoking fetish" sometime and see what you >> get. >> >> I think that the situation with this particular photo is that >> facebook's >> system is entirely automated, and all it takes is a few people >> reporting >> a photo for it to automatically be taken down, with no sentient >> oversight. >> >> It's almost enough to make someone want to start a campaign to get >> people >> to start flagging photos of christmas decorations as inappropriate. >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote: >>>> On the subject of some people finding any nudity to be sexual: >>>> http://thefeministbreeder.com/why-subscribe/tfb-banned-facebook/ >>> >>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com >> http://red4est.com/lrc >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
