Between your viewpoint from Israel and mine from the Frostpit I think both
of us suspect that "community rules" are crafted by bet-hedging lawyers
catering for the American judicial system. :-)
My main point was that I failed to see the analogy between your post and the
original topic in the way it came out. Sorry about that. ;-)
Jostein
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Dato: 9. desember 2013 13:20
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Emne: Re: fanning the flames
Jostein,
I don't understand how it come to be that you inferred from my
reasoning that common sense and law don't apply somewhere, say on FB?
I would appreciate an explanation, even if off-list.
Then, I did not mean to imply that FB were criminals. I meant to
illustrate the point that this specific lady struck me as a very
special kind of individual - one that is more preoccupied with
righteousness than with anything else. I may be wrong, but at least I
tried to clarify my view.
I think that FB is too big a community to have it change their
practices based on experience of a single individual. It is in fact a
very interesting issue, because FB is not democratic by design. The
rules are not produced by mutual discussion of FB members, but rather
are given. But I sense this will lead us even further off the original
topic.
Cheers!
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne
<p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
I've tried to stay out of this discussion, but alas...
Boris' reasoning has two _big_ flaws. One is accepting that certain
geographical (or virtual in the sense of facebook) areas are exempt from
common sense and law. I can see no reason why anyone would resign to such
a
state of affairs.
With regards to facebook's community standards, their community is made up
by their users. If enough ruckus is made by their community over certain
rules, they stand to lose more by not changing their practice.
And that leads me to the other flaw in the comparison. Facebook are not,
like the thieves in Boris' example, criminals.
My two cents,
Jostein
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Dato: 9. desember 2013 09:08
Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Emne: Re: fanning the flames
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:19 AM, David Parsons <parsons.da...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Too exhibitionist for showing a picture of her daughter? That is
called slut shaming (or victim blaming if you are sensitive), blaming
the victim for acting outside your accepted norms.
Dave, let me try to explain.
Dave, consider this scenario. You drive in a neighborhood and in great
hurry you leave your car windows open. Your car gets robbed. You
invoke insurance, and so on. While engaged in damage control you are
let known that this neighborhood is rather full of thieves. A week
later you have to pass by the same route again. This time, rather
knowingly and on purpose you leave your car doors opened one more time
and your car gets promptly robbed. This time however, along with
invoking the insurance, you also start a very loud publicity campaign.
Now, consider this:
1. Although you were quite right both times (as far theft being out of
the law, etc), you were not very smart to leave your car doors opened.
The first time over you were being normal human - you were in a hurry
and you were preoccupied with something important.
2. The second time you did it on purpose. Further, this time you were
knowingly inviting the thief so that you can cry out loud. Again - you
were right by the letter of the law, but you were very non-smart other
than that. Ultimately, I should point out that in this case your
behavior may indicate a deeper underlying problem than just being
robbed.
3. Finally, if your original plan was a publicity campaign against
thieves in general or in this very neighborhood, don't tell me that
the damage done to your car is something you cannot possibly stand. In
other words - don't be childish.
Now, my understanding (from reading the blog post comments) that this
is not the very first time this lady has problem with FB authorities.
Ultimate bottom line here is Hebrew saying "Be wise, don't be right".
I hope I got my point across. Also let it be noted that this direction
of the discussion has nothing to do with whatever was depicted in
that/these photograph/s.
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