I don't think his question was whether it was art, but whether it was photography. Probably in much the same way was whether a collage that a second grade makes of pictures cut from a magazine is photography.
On February 23, 2015 12:16:57 AM PST, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote: >The word is giclée and it's not made up, it's French. It means a jet of >liquid which squirts out of something. It's also used of a burst of >machine-gun fire. > >Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand >fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed >to be representative of what was in front of the camera. > >B > > > >> On 23 Feb 2015, at 02:26, P.J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> >wrote: >> >> Oh, no I'm not saying that. I can't remember where I read this but >there was an on line article about Rhine II showing the original scene. >There wasn't just one ugly factory removed by Photoshopery, but the >entire horizon of ugly factories was removed. When I say heavily >Photoshopped I mean it, when that much retouching is involved, you're >no longer working with a photograph per se, but some other kind of >digital artwork. I've removed entire tourists from images I've shown, >the difference being that I didn't fundamentally change the actual >scene, just a movable element that moved into frame that I didn't >notice. The only way the scene that Rhine II is supposed to represent, >could exist, would be with judicious applications of high explosives >and heavy machinery to remove the debris. >> >> Gileec is a made up word to give inkjet images the imprimatur of an >Art technique as calling them inkjet images simply confuses the rubes >or is it the other way around... >> >> I remember the first time I was asked if one of my exhibited images >was a Giléec*, at the time I didn't honestly know... >> >> *Strangely the first e is supposed to have an acute accent over it >but the Windows Character Map utility doesn't seem to have that >character I had to steal it from Wikapedia and it may not display >properly on other peoples systems... >> >> >> >>> On 2/22/2015 7:59 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> Not that I disagree with the bulk of your sentiments here -- I said >>> much the same to my wife at dinner about admiring the guy's >marketing >>> skills -- but you appear to be stating that "photographs" >effectively >>> cease to exist once chemicals and negatives are out of the loop. An >>> idea I vehemently disagree with. >>> >>> DSLRs, software and inkjet prints are all part of the new photograpy >>> and thus produce photographs. >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:52 PM, P.J. Alling ><webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The quote from the London Gallery owner is pretty telling, not so >much about >>>> Lik, but certianly about the Art photography marked. Let's see, >Rhine II, >>>> wasn't exactly a photograph, it was a heavily Photoshopped inkjet, >(Oh, I'm >>>> sorry, perhaps I should have used the word Gilcee instead of >inkjet), print. >>>> Yet I'll bet that gallery owner didn't blink an eye when it sold >for $1.3 >>>> million. From what I've seen of Lik's work it doesn't require eye >bleach, >>>> (such as Thomas Kinkade's did). It just seems that he's found a >way to >>>> legally separate money from rich people with more money than brains >without >>>> needing a middle man. More power to him I say. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/22/2015 4:39 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>>>> So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so >much. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for-success-sell-prints-print-money.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to >achieve >>>> immortality through not dying. >>>> -- Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to >achieve immortality through not dying. >> -- Woody Allen >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
