Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion.
This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That included the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, China, the Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas and Britain treated their Empire. Again, domination of their part of the world, not world domination. I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather orthodox historical views is anything like Holocaust denial. As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not saying they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now will guarantee a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on Friday - or worse. Cheers, frank On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote: >Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of >its >maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries. > >That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine, >Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the >Balkans >to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya, >Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, >Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states along >the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of >India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. > >If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for >government >work. > >Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is questionable, >but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians >anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms >about >killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise. > >There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic >Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of ISIS/ISIL. >There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm >afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic >Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding in >their midst. > >Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest, >spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is >not >anti-Islamic fervor. > >And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World >Domination" >in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with Holocaust >Denial. > > >On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote: >> ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate >> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken >> seriously. >> >> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle >> East and possibly North Africa. >> >> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago >> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud >> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were concocted >> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of >> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century. >> >> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it >> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. >> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment. >> >> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers >> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way >> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq >> military. >> >> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in the >> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up >> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to >> happen, again and again. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
