You obviously know nothing of masochism and rope...

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 18:51, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Your masochism knows no bounds.
> 
>> On 08 March 2018 at 16:36 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> At the same time I was learning photography I was also starting to read 
>> French literature...
>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 15:57, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You crack me up, Bob! That's a great line ...! :-)
>>> 
>>> When I was that age, I'd already bought my own first camera (a Minolta 16-P 
>>> which cost me the grand sum of $19 at Camera Craft in New Rochelle, NY), 
>>> having been given a couple of Kodak cameras before then. But I wanted 
>>> something more adjustable. My mother loaned me her Argus C3... with which I 
>>> learned a great deal about ruining film until I figured out how to work 
>>> aperture, shutter speed, and focus. AND remembered to wind on to the next 
>>> frame before re-cocking the shutter. 
>>> 
>>> There really isn't a modern equivalent. I'd never start a youngster on a 
>>> 35mm film camera nowadays, and any digital camera today has way more 
>>> capabilities and automation ... And the expectations of young people today 
>>> are quite different from my expectations of a camera in 1968. 
>>> 
>>> However, as a teacher of photography, my goal in getting people who are 
>>> interested started out is to let them begin with focus and understanding 
>>> light, and understanding the difference between what your eyes see and what 
>>> the camera might record. Nothing on the market today would start a young 
>>> person off with a better basic understanding of those things than an 
>>> instant film camera with manual focus, and it would also serve to give them 
>>> the immediate return on their effort that is so important to the learning 
>>> experience. Something like the Lomo Instant Square I obtained recently or a 
>>> Polaroid SX-70 with the Polaroid Original film would do a great job of 
>>> teaching these things, and would also be special, different, from the 
>>> smartphone experience in ways that would be beneficial to learning how to 
>>> be patient, how to be economical of exposures, and how to "look, think, and 
>>> consider" before shooting. 
>>> 
>>> G
>>> —
>>> No matter where you go, there you are.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like he needs an adult real-life lesson that will leave him feeling 
>>>> inadequate, unloved and in despair at the pointlessness of existence, so 
>>>> anything by Pentax will do.
>>>> 
>>>> When I was about that age someone bought me an Instamatic, which quickly 
>>>> frustrated me, but one of my schoolfriends had an Olympus Pen-F (the 
>>>> half-frame one) and we could use the school darkroom, so I learned a bit 
>>>> with that. There is a digital version now - something like that would 
>>>> probably be good.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 14:31, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A sister has asked me for advice on a beginning camera for her grandson. 
>>>>> He’s 12, intelligent, creative, self-disciplined—all-in-all pretty 
>>>>> precocious about many things. I have my own thoughts, which may not be 
>>>>> best, but wondered what y’all might recommend.
>>>>> 
> 
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