Godfrey, okay: strike "regular Lightroom user". I really meant "regular Lightroom user who uses Photoshop extensively as an external editor" anyway.
But Jostein was looking for a replacement for Photoshop as an external editor for Lightroom, presumably to do more than just add a border. I suggest that as it does not save the full state of the file, Affinity fails to meet that criteria. If flattening the TIFF is not an issue, then Affinity may well be fine for him, and others. And yes, I did indeed decide to stick with using Photoshop in my workflow. I went ahead and upgraded to CC after many years of waiting for somebody to come up with a usable (for me) alternative to Adobe's stuff. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 1:59 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> wrote: > > Bruce, > > Those are *your* requirements: preserving your exact Adobe LR+PS workflow. I > would not presume that that is the expectation of a "regular Lightroom user" > at all. > > I've been using Lightroom since it was Public Beta 2 in 2006. As the years > have gone on, I have discarded using Photoshop entirely—where all the > complexities of layered TIFFs/PSDs, etc, make sense—because I have no need > Photoshops graphics capabilities for my photography. I use Lightroom to do > the raw conversion and finishing work on my photos, with the sole exception > of the little ragged black border that I emplace with Flare 2 or SnapSeed. So > I have absolutely no need of layered TIFFs, etc. > > When I use external editors launched from LR *other* than PS, I'm not looking > to replicate PS features. I'm looking to do something that some other app > does a little better, a little more simply, a little more conveniently. That, > as far as I've seen from teaching LR and PS courses, is far more what the > average LR user does with external editors other than Photoshop. > > Affinity Photo does an excellent job of raw conversion and finishing > comparable to Lightroom's capabilities, and that's what I'd buy it to > replace. The very occasional need I have to edit a document with text and > graphics emplacements, it does that well too. I have no need of a Photoshop > replacement, although for many folks it will suffice for that. What it > doesn't do that LR does so well is simple image management and templated > operations for printing and slide show production. I haven't found tools yet > that do this as well as LR does, so as long as LR 6.14 continues to operate, > I'll be sticking with it. Unless I happen to find something that actually > does these things better. > > If AP doesn't work for you, and you want an exact clone of Photoshop to > support your current workflow, well, just stick with Photoshop. It'll do the > best job. :) > > G > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker <bruce.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > > Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > > layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > > does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > > > > It can't do that. So ... /next/. > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why > >> are you using Photoshop to generate files? > >> > >> G > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker <bruce.wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the > >>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign > >>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > >>> shortly. > >>> > >>> > >>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > >>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > >>> > >>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > >>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > >>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > >>> > >>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > >>> > >>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered > >>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with > >>> the original for less confusion. > >>> > >>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is > >>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > >>> > >>> Clear? > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and > >>>> didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you > >>>> were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago. > >>>> > >>>> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm > >>>> not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in > >>>> Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >>>> > >>>> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop. > >>>> > >>>> G > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker <bruce.wal...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > >>>>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when > >>>>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > >>>>> > >>>>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > >>>>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now. > >>>>> > >>>>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an > >>>>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it > >>>>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used > >>>>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers > >>>>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to > >>>>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external editor > >>>>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > >>>>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > >>>>> […] snip > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
