Mira, Abdul is right and old timers will know who he is, with regard to his inclination that i am a OrCAD "wall banger", i have no comment for the fact that when i started up in 1998 to learn PCB CAD, i know nothing even as simple as what is the meaning of Via and Padstack, its history now and because of the learning spirit and "never say die"., I did attempted at Winboard/W.Draft, VuTrax, Protel 2.8 and also OrCAD ver 7.0 which come to nothing but head scratching and relaps of learning. Then came OrCAD 9.XX series and i tried again., with success and full comprehension of PCB job flow procedures , all because of its excellent help contents and animated help features. After OrCAD i then tried Protel again for v2.8 and 99SE, did handle 99SE well enought but have to abort it for crashes but then strangely i navigated well in the schematic page and libraries but the same did not happen with Protel 2004. And btw guys , i am learning this for personal fulfilment. Dont take things to seriously as i am learning for fun here, Abdul , thanks for your comment.
Choong Mira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ah, oh, Abd, don't open Pandora's box. We know what's >in there and it's not good. > >You are absolutely right about the way to learn >Protel. >This forum is great and there are many brain cells >floating around i.e. experienced users. >Post the question, count till 10 and if you don't get >the answer, go hit the wall. This little head massage >may help. Just make sure there is nobody at the other >side of the wall. > >Mira > > >--- Abd ulRahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> At 09:48 AM 10/7/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >The same thing happen to me too that i feel that >> Protel ways of >> >doing things is illogical and confusing to the >> point that i have to >> >go back to OrCAD and finish up the job via Protel's >> save in order to >> >please my fab house as they are not able to open >> other files other >> >than Protel .pcb format. >> >> If you are an OrCAD user, it is not surprising that >> you would think >> Protel's way of doing things "illogical and >> confusing." After a >> little experience with Cadstar and a cheap program >> called EasyPCB, I >> started out as a Tango user, which began as Protel >> Easytrax and >> diverged with the release of Autotrax and Tango >> Series II. But the >> philosophy remained the same, and the program's ways >> of doing things >> seemed refreshingly simple and clear to me, easy to >> learn. >> >> And when I was forced to use OrCAD, I found it >> *extremely* difficult >> to learn and confining. (not to mention buggy, this >> was Layout v.7.) >> >> The point is that experience with one CAD system can >> lead one to >> believe that another is "illogical and confusing." >> Now, I had many >> experienced OrCAD users who also were experienced >> Protel users tell >> me that, other things being equal, OrCAD was harder >> to learn. But if >> you started with OrCAD, as I said, and you learned >> all the >> idiosyncratic ways that OrCAD does things, they will >> seem natural to >> you and you will find Protel frustrating. >> >> I seriously doubt that there is anything you needed >> to do that you >> could not have done in Protel. But you simply didn't >> know how to do >> it, so to save time, you went back to OrCAD. >> However, it might have >> taken less time to learn the Protel way. >> >> I used to joke: "When you, as an OrCAD user, find >> yourself frustrated >> with Protel, don't bang your head against the wall. >> That's the OrCAD >> way, it doesn't work with Protel. Instead, ask on >> the user list." >> >> You will often find that the Protel way turns out to >> be simple and >> easy to learn, but you just didn't expect it. >> >> Really. Where you think that OrCAD does something >> better than Protel, >> in a few instances you might be right. After all, >> OrCAD costs >> significantly more (or at least it did, I haven't >> looked lately) than >> Protel. But quite often, if you learned the >> efficient way in Protel, >> it is just as good and often better, that is, >> faster. Once you know it. >> >> When you don't know how, it can take you days to >> figure out how to do >> something. Don't waste the time, if it does not >> become obvious to you >> after a few minutes (maybe reading the manual), then >> ask. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
