Joseph, List: I haven't seen an answer to your inquiry, but I, like you, would be interested in what would be trivial and non-trivial when it comes to an index.
Tom On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > Dear All, > > I have not commented on the recent exchanges as I was awaiting my copy of > Frederik's book, just received. But there is one phrase he uses in > this note which I think is worth noting for discussion and future > reference: "an index relies on some actual connections (read: natural > interactions) which are either not in themselves signs (or only trivially > so)". A notion of triviality is essential here, whether or not this is in > relation to establishing an index. For situations where the latter is > true, sign-talk is superfetatory. We now need to distinguish between three > states of affairs: those in which signs are 1) non-trivial; 2) trivial > and 3) non-existent. My rationale for doing this would be to more clearly > delineate the primitive nature of actual connections *vs. *signs. But > perhaps this is done elsewhere in the book . . . > > Best, > > Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Frederik Stjernfelt <stj...@hum.ku.dk> > *To:* biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee ; Peirce List <PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu> > *Sent:* Monday, September 15, 2014 10:46 PM > *Subject:* [biosemiotics:6847] Re: Natural Propositions: like > > Dear Mara, lists - > Certainly it is through an index that WE know about the cause of the > crater. > But the physical process itself, the meteor creating the crater, is not an > index. The index relies upon causal, purposive and other actual connections > which are not, in themselves, signs (or only trivially so). > Best > F > > > > Den 15/09/2014 kl. 19.09 skrev Mara Woods <mara.wo...@gmail.com> > : > > Perhaps saying that it is an index does add one thing. It says that > instead of knowing that the crater was caused by a meteor through direct > perception of the event, we know it because we inferred it based on what > was left behind. > > Mara Woods > > >
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