STOI-DIS. Semiotic Theory Of Information -- Discussion
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Edwina, List,
In semiosis as opposed to sausagosis it is our job to inspect the factory.
Now it's your choice, but if you chews to use the language of mathematics
to describe what you see there then you ought to speak it as she is spoke.
If you chews to formulate the sign-grindings and sign-casings therein in
terms of functions like "f(x) = y", or transformations -- they are really
the same things -- then you have narrowed the range of what you can say
and still be considered grammatical.
I'm just saying ...
Jon
Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Well, Jon, maybe there is something 'mystical' in it, in that the
mediative transformative Relation of the semiosic triad best operates in
a different temporal and spatial mode than that of the 'existential'
Object and Interpretant. Thirdness - whether 3-3 or 3-2 or 3-1 is a
powerful relation.
But bologna???!!! Now wait a minute. I'm just taking a break from making
dill pickles and sauerkraut (much better, I assure you, than from the
store)....and I won't have something as crass as bologna in my home. No
way.
The point of the function is that it
reduces/filters/rejects/whatever...the potentialities of the Dynamic and
Immediate Object..to ONE Interpretant. Not necessarily the truthful
Interpretant (we all know how observers-at-an-accident each observe
something different)...but..to one rather than many 'I saw what I saw'.
But in this filtering...it transforms..according to the generals of the
Interpreting Agent (which is where Stan's Constructivism probably comes
in)...So, as Peirce said..we don't/can't view the objective world directly.
Best
Edwina
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Awbrey" <[email protected]>
To: "Edwina Taborsky" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Semiotic Theory Of Information -- Discussion
OK, IC, it's not really a function, it's more like mystical bologna ...
Jon
Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Jon - Nope, I disagree. You are reducing the nature of a Function to
a linear path. My point is that F or S (in your triad) is not a step
in a path nor is it a cumulative action but is instead a
transformative action. The semiosic 'f' is not empty but 'filled' -
with generals, with universals and thus exerts a transformative
agency on X...to result in a Y that is not identical with X (unless
it's a pure process).
And most certainly this is not behaviouristic stimulus-response -
because, again, that 'F' is a mediative and transformative
function....something that the O-S-I pattern doesn't clearly show.
Edwina
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