Howard,

Peirce: CP 6.322 

322. For forty years, that is, since the beginning of the year 1867, I have 
been constantly on the alert to find a genuine triadic relation -- that is, one 
that does not consist in a mere collocation of dyadic relations, or the 
negative of such, etc. (I prefer not to attempt a perfectly definite 
definition) -- which is not either an intellectual relation or a relation 
concerned with the less comprehensible phenomena of life. I have not met with 
one which could not reasonably be supposed to belong to one or other of these 
two classes. As a case as nearly brute and inorganic as any, I may mention the 
form of relationship involved in any screw-form which is definitely of the 
right-hand, or occidental, mode, or is definitely of the Japanese, or 
left-handed, mode. Such a relation exists in every carbon-atom whose four 
valencies are saturated by combination with four atoms of as many different 
kinds. But where the action of chance determines whether the screw be a 
right-handed or a left-handed one, the two forms will, in the long run, be 
produced in equal proportions, and the general result will not be definitely, 
or decisively, of either kind. We know no case of a definitely right-handed or 
left-handed screw-phenomenon, where the decision is not certainly due to the 
intervention of a definitely one-sided screw in the conditions of that 
decision, except in cases where the choice of a living being determines it; as 
when Pasteur picked out under the microscope the two kinds of crystals of a 
tartrate, and shoved those of one kind to the right and those of the other kind 
to the left.†1 We do not know the mechanism of such choice, and cannot say 
whether it be determined by an antecedent separation of left-handed screws from 
right-handed screws or not. No doubt, all that chance is competent to destroy, 
it may, once in a long, long time, produce; but it is a question whether 
absolute chance -- pure tychism -- ought not to be regarded as a product of 
freedom, and therefore of life, not necessarily physiological. It could not be 
caused, apparently, by the inorganic action of dynamical law. For the only way 
in which the laws of dynamics involve triadic relations is by their reference 
to second differentials of positions. But though a second differential 
generally involves a triadic relation, yet owing to the law of the conservation 
of energy, which has been sufficiently proved for purely inorganic phenomena, 
the dynamic laws for such phenomena are expressible in terms of first 
differentials. It is, therefore, a non-genuine, or, as I phrase it, a 
"degenerate" form of triadic relationship †3 which is involved in such case. In 
short, the problem of how genuine triadic relationships first arose in the 
world is a better, because more definite, formulation of the problem of how 
life first came about; and no explanation has ever been offered except that of 
pure chance, which we must suspect to be no explanation, owing to the suspicion 
that pure chance may itself be a vital phenomenon. In that case, life in the 
physiological sense would be due to life in the metaphysical sense. Of course, 
the fact that a given individual has been persuaded of the truth of a 
proposition is the very slenderest possible argument for its truth; 
nevertheless, the fact that I, a person of the strongest possible physicistic 
prejudices, should, as the result of forty years of questionings, have been 
brought to the deep conviction that there is some essentially and irreducibly 
other element in the universe than pure dynamism may have sufficient interest 
to excuse my devoting a single sentence to its expression. For you may be sure 
that I had reasons that withstood severe, not to say hostile criticism; and if 
I live to do it, I shall embody them in a volume.

I think Peirce has his finger on a nice way of framing the key question when he 
says:  "In short, the problem of how genuine triadic relationships first arose 
in the world is a better, because more definite, formulation of the problem of 
how life first came about; and no explanation has ever been offered except that 
of pure chance, which we must suspect to be no explanation, owing to the 
suspicion that pure chance may itself be a vital phenomenon."

Jeff Downard
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy
NAU
(o) 523-8354
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From: Howard Pattee [hpat...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:54 PM
To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; Sungchul Ji; PEIRCE-L; biosemiotics
Subject: [biosemiotics:7995] Re: NP 8.3 and the

At 09:02 PM 1/25/2015, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote:

>While he [Peirce] does explore this idea in places, he suggests
>elsewhere that can't find any clear examples of genuine sign
>relations outside of living or intelligent systems.

I believe Frederik says this, but where does Peirce say this?

Howard
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