Correct, Frederik. I mistyped. It is nice to have some agreement, since I have had this dispute for some time now. Perhaps needless to say, I think your book really clears up some things that otherwise might seem mysterious about Peirce's views.
John From: Frederik Stjernfelt [mailto:stj...@hum.ku.dk] Sent: April 27, 2015 5:09 PM To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; Peirce-L 1 Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8498] Re: Natural Propositions, Dear John, lists, Den 27/04/2015 kl. 21.49 skrev John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za<mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za>> : In my case, at least, as I have said several times before, perceptions without judgements seem to be pretty near possible, except maybe in some extremely altered states of consciousness. I look out the window, and I can't help but see a telephone pole, not a hodge-podge of colours and shapes. Our seeing is of specific things in general classifications, at least almost always. Anything that suggests there is something on which that is based is a hypothesis, or at least an act of thought that ignores the generalities and concentrates on the specificities. It is not an easy act of thought, either. It takes considerable effort or training in most cases. Agreed. (you mean "impossible" rather than "possible" in the first period, right?) We not only se a telephone pole - we se there is this telephone just there, at exactly this and that position in our visual 3-D surroundings. Perception is typically propositional (In ch. 5 of Natural Propositions I run through the arguments that this is even neurally hardwired in the ventral/dorsal split in the senses). To claim we first perceive uninterpreted colors or forms is not correct as pertaining to the large majority of everyday perceptions. Of course such things may happen, in dreams, illusions, ecstasy, surprises, etc. but marginally and momentarily only. To believe we generally first see such phenomena is to substitute a perception theory for what we actually experience. But we may train ourselves to focus upon such firstnesses by prescission - painters, e.g. have to practice such a procedure meticulously ... but that is isolating firstness from its nesting in second- and thirdnesses. Best F
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