Peter, list
Semiotic analysis of the analogy' would also include the societal
effect as the Interpretant. My point is that using Peircean semiotics
to simply relate two sets [the Holy Family refugee and the war-refugee
family] is a rather tortuous method of simply relating, by analogy,
these two sets. Why bother?
First - you define and describe your two sets. Then, you outline the
'feeling of compassion' developed by the first set - and explain how,
by analogy, this same feeling is suggested as a valid response to the
second set. That's it. No Peircean semiotics. You could use
Saussure..to explain how the Signifier of the model of the Holy
Family as correlated to the model of the Refugee Family ...leads to a
Signified of compassion/empathy in both.
Edwina
On Thu 28/12/17 8:34 PM , "Skagestad, Peter"
peter_skages...@uml.edu sent:
Edwina, list,
Of course I only had a question - no particular answer in mind. On
reflection, though, I suspect semiotics would pertain, not to the
analysis of this analogy, but rather to the social uses to which the
analogy is put. And that use, it seems fairly clear, is the
evocation of empathy.
Peter
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From: Edwina Taborsky
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 3:19:17 PM
To: tabor...@primus.ca; Jerry LR Chandler
Cc: Peirce List; Skagestad, Peter
Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nativity scenes
Jerry: I am quite aware of your post and don't need to re-read it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "your response with its conjectures
that give a hint as to the identity your character' means - but it
sounds rather insulting and out of line on this thread.
There is no room for compassion in semiotics. Just as there is no
room for hatred, anger, lust and so on.. in semiotics.
Semiotics is a logical process of reality and existence. There may
definitely be, within this semiotic action, the feeling of compassion
or the feeling of anger - but that is part of the semiosic triad,
where, for example: An expression of emotion...is mediated by
knowledge...to be interpreted as a feeling of compassion. But the
logical triad does not operate by compassion but by reason.
Again - that was not the original question - which was whether
semiotics could be used to compare war-refugees with the Holy Family
as refugee. The emotion of compassion was not in the question.
Edwina
On Thu 28/12/17 2:54 PM , Jerry LR Chandler
jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com sent:
Edwinia:
Please re-read my post.
It simply states two parallel sentences.
Does your response, with its conjectures that give a hint as to the
identity your character, confirm my suggestion that there is no room
for compassion in semiotics? :-)
Best Wishes to All for a New year filled with compassion.
Cheers
Jerry
On Dec 28, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
Jerry, list - but apart from the perhaps-not-quite-accurate
analogy of 'destitute in a foreign land' - don't you consider that it
is rationally dangerous to set up an analogy that might imply that the
attributes of one set can possibly be fully applied to the second
set?
Human compassion has nothing to do with this attempt at analogous
comparison and to me, it doesn't make sense to suggest that To Make
Such An Analogy is an Act-of-Compassion.
It's a similar false analogy as in the common logical fallacy of:
All cats are animals All dogs are animals Therefore, all dogs
are cats.
Edwina
On Thu 28/12/17 1:47 PM , Jerry LR Chandler
jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com [2] sent:
Peter, List:
Is it possible that what is missing from this philosophical
discussion is simple human compassion?
The Holy Family were destitute in a foreign land.
in parallel sentence structure for the image (icon) without regard
to the facts not stated of the two images,
The refuges are destitute in a foreign land.
Of course, the concept human compassion is seldom an acceptable
argument in semeiotics, or is it?
Cheers
Jerry
On Dec 28, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Skagestad, Peter wrote:
Listers,
I have a somewhat unusual question. My sister is writing an Art
History thesis on nativity scenes and their contemporary relevance.
An example is one at a street mission in Trondheim, Norway, depicting
the Holy Family as present-day refugees from the Middle East. Now the
question is what, if anything, might semiotics have to say about such
depiction? The answer may be obvious, but it escapes me, at least for
the moment. Any suggestions?
Cheers, Peter
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