Jon Alen,
I do not see from your quote of Edwina that she states that the logical and the final interpretant are the same. And just repeating quotes does not solve interprative difficulties. best, Auke > Op 16 juni 2020 om 19:32 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>: > > Auke, List: > > > > > JAS: As I have made clear in multiple previous posts, I > do not consider the emotional/energetic/logical interpretants to be the same > as the immediate/dynamical/final interpretants. > > > > AvB: I never suggested that I do consider them the same and did > > not notice somebody else doing so in our exchanges. > > > > > > Edwina suggested that they are the same, or at least that the logical and > final interpretants are the same. > > > > > ET: I question whether every sign has, necessarily, a > final interpretant. I refer to Peirce's comment that "not all signs have > logical interpretants, but only intellectual concepts and the like" ... > > My point is that, as Peirce points out, not every sign has a final > > interpretant, conditional or not. Only intellectual concepts. > > > > > > Peirce does not point out that only intellectual concepts have final > interpretants, he points out that only intellectual concepts (and the like; > i.e., symbols) have logical interpretants. He even goes on to distinguish a > logical interpretant from a final or ultimate logical interpretant, which is > a habit (EP 2:418, 1907) or a habit-change (CP 5.476, 1907). > > > > > AvB: But, is not the sense of comprehending the meaning > of the sign a sign of reassurance? > > > > > > No, it seems to me that "the sense of comprehending the meaning of the > sign" is (or includes) a feeling of reassurance, rather than being a sign of > reassurance. In any case, Peirce clearly draws the same distinction that I > am making. > > > > > CSP: I have already noted that a Sign has an Object and > an Interpretant, the latter being that which the Sign produces in the > Quasi-mind that is the Interpreter by determining the latter to a feeling, to > an exertion, or to a Sign, which determination is the Interpretant. (CP > 4.536, 1906) > > > > > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran > Laymanhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 AM Auke van Breemen < > peirce-l@list.iupui.edu mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > wrote: > > > > > > Jon Alen, > > > > Just to avoid misunderstanding. > > > > JAS: As I have made clear in multiple previous posts, I do not > > consider the emotional/energetic/logical interpretants to be the same as > > the immediate/dynamical/final interpretants. > > > > I never suggested that I do consider them the same and did not > > notice somebody else doing so in our exchanges. Neither did I read any > > remark to the extend that you do regard them the same. > > > > The most curious part of your response however is that according to > > you a feeling is not a sign. While at the same time you quote Peirce > > > > JAS: "In all cases, it [the interpretant] includes feelings; for > > there must, at least, be a sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign" > > (EP 2:409, 1907). > > > > But, is not the sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign a > > sign of reassurance? > > > > Best, > > > > Auke > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with no subject, and with the sole line "UNSubscribe > PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at > http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by The PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >
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