Cécile: CC: Yet, Peirce mentions, for instance, 'the essentially triadic nature of a Sign' (1906, CP 4.531, p. 415) ...
Indeed, a sign is "triadic" in the specific sense that something can only *serve *as a sign *within *the genuine triadic relation of representing/mediating between its object and interpretant; and whatever serves as a *sign *within one such relation might also serve as the *interpretant *of a previous sign in another such relation, or as the *object *of a subsequent sign in yet another such relation. In my view, all these designations are artifacts of analysis, *entia rationis* that we prescind from the real and continuous process of semiosis--the entire universe as one immense sign, a vast argument that is constantly "working out its conclusions in living realities" (CP 5.119, EP 2:193, 1903). CC: Does this excerpt from CP 5.473 mean that the term 'sign' refers to the representamen, and the term "quasi-sign“ refer to the triadic relation of the representamen to the object for the interpretant? On the contrary, in that passage, Peirce is actually contrasting a "sign" that *triadically *produces an interpretant with a "quasi-sign" that *dyadically *produces an effect of some kind. In other words, he is suggesting that "sign" be reserved for the first correlate of a *genuine *triadic relation and "quasi-sign" be employed instead for the first correlate of a *degenerate *triadic relation, i.e., one that is *reducible *to its dyadic input and output relations. His example of the latter is a Jacquard loom, "which used punched cards to control the weaving of the cloth so that intricate patterns could be obtained automatically" (EP 2:547n15). As he says elsewhere ... CSP: Speculative Grammar ought not to confine its studies to those conventional signs of which language is composed, but ... will do well to widen its field of view so as to take into consideration also kinds of signs which, not being conventional, are not of the nature of language. In fact, as a point of theory, I am of opinion that we ought not to limit ourselves to signs but ought to take account of certain objects more or less analogous to signs. In practice, however, I have paid little attention to these quasi-signs. (EP 2:257, 1903) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 1:56 PM Cécile Cosculluela < cecile.coscullu...@univ-pau.fr> wrote: > Jon, Edwina, John, List, > > Thanks again. Indeed, I do want to be consistent with Peirce's usage of > the term "sign". I think it's interesting to note that "The collocation > “triadic sign” isn’t to be found in the CP" (Jappy, 2023, p. 145, note 1). > Yet, Peirce mentions, for instance, 'the essentially triadic nature of a > Sign' (1906, CP 4.531, p. 415) or points to what might be regarded as the > arbitrary character of terminology when stating (in CP 5.473, 1905) that > "Whether the interpretant be necessarily a triadic result is a question of > words, that is, of how we limit the extension of the term "sign"; but it > seems to me [Peirce] convenient to make the triadic production of the > interpretant essential to a "sign," calling the wider concept like a > Jacquard loom, for example, a "quasi-sign.“ " > > Does this excerpt from CP 5.473 mean that the term 'sign' refers to the > representamen, and the term "quasi-sign“ refer to the triadic relation of > the representamen to the object for the interpretant? > > Best regards, > > Cécile > > ------------------------------ > *Cécile Cosculluela* > MC anglais UPPA ∗ SSH ∗ LEA > Maître de Conférences en Etudes Anglophones > *Associate Professor of English as a Second Language* > *Semiotics • Linguistics • Grammar • Translation* >
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