Cécile, List: On the contrary ...
- The 1st trichotomy in 1903 (sign itself) is also the 1st trichotomy in 1908 (sign itself). - The 2nd trichotomy in 1903 (sign's *relation *to its object) is the 4th trichotomy in 1908 (sign's relation to its *dynamical *object). - The 3rd trichotomy in 1903 (sign's *relation *to its interpretant) is the 9th trichotomy in 1908 (sign's relation to its *normal/final* interpretant). However, the 1st and 3rd trichotomies in the 1908 triangular diagram are *not *the 2nd and 3rd trichotomies in the 1903 taxonomy, *nor *the 4th and 9th trichotomies in the 1908 taxonomy. - The 1st trichotomy in the diagram is the 3rd trichotomy overall (dynamical object *itself*). - The 2nd trichotomy in the diagram is the 1st trichotomy overall (sign itself). - The 3rd trichotomy in the diagram is the 8th trichotomy overall (normal/final interpretant *itself*). Peirce's numbering of the ten trichotomies in CP 8.344/EP 2:482-483 and EP 2:483-490 is *not *their proper logical order for ascertaining sign classes in accordance with his "rule of determination" (EP 2:481). We know from the 1903 taxonomy that 1st (S) comes before 4th (DO-S), which comes before 9th (S-FI). We know from the triangular diagram that 3rd (DO) comes before 1st (S), which comes before 8th (FI). We know from EP 2:481 that 3rd (DO) comes before 2nd (IO), which comes before 1st (S), which comes before all three interpretants--8th (FI), 6th (DI), and 5th (II), although there is ongoing debate over whether "destinate" and "explicit" correspond to "final" and "immediate" (my view) or vice-versa. And we know from a 1904 letter to Lady Welby (CP 8.338) that 9th (S-FI) comes before 7th (S-DI). In summary, we know that a partial logical order of the trichotomies is 3rd (DO), 2nd (IO), 1st (S), 4th (DO-S), 9th (S-FI), 7th (S-DI). We do not know for sure where to insert the three interpretant trichotomies--5th (II), 6th (DI), 8th (FI)--except that they must come after 1st (S). We also do not know for sure where to insert 10th (DO-S-FI), although Peirce's corresponding names in some versions (abducent/inducent/deducent) suggest that it is a division of arguments, so it presumably comes after 9th (S-FI). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 3:17 PM Cécile Cosculluela < cecile.coscullu...@univ-pau.fr> wrote: > Thank you Jon for clarifying those points. I'd like to make sure I > understand correctly. Would you please confirm that the 1st, 4th, and 9th > respects according to which the chief divisions of signs are determined in > CP 8.344 are not essentially the same ones as the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd > trichotomies respectively in CP 2.244, 247 & 250 ? > > ------------------------------ > *Cécile Cosculluela* > MC anglais UPPA ∗ SSH ∗ LEA > Maître de Conférences en Etudes Anglophones > *Associate Professor of English as a Second Language* > *Semiotics • Linguistics • Grammar • Translation* >
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