JAS - you are ignoring that the statement ‘One incomprehensible but Personal God not immanent in but creating the universe’ is within a paragraph focused on QUESTIONS not ANSWERS…and you left out the beginning of this statement - “the question of a future life and especially that of One Incomprehensible but Personal God..etc’. [2.420-1]
But this doesn’t reject Brier’s argument that Pierce was a panentheist. [See also John Shook, in Peirce’s pragmatic Theology and Stoic Religious Ethics, which also argues for Peirce’s ‘panentheistic God’. [p8/351] “While his personal views about God resemble traditional theism, his philosophical system leans more toward panentheism” And “A Peircean panentheism finds that the growth of nature and God’s creative in nature are co-responding co-operating and communicating processes [p352] I think that the only conclusion we can make in this discussion [ or is it now a debate?] - is that the question of Peirce’s views on god and the universe etc - have been extensively argued over many years and by a number of scholars- with differing conclusions- and therefore there is no final answer. Edwina > On Oct 4, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > > List: > > I am familiar with that 2008 paper by Brier. It indicates no awareness of > Peirce's explicit definition of the "doctrine of an immanent deity" in The > Century Dictionary and his multiple emphatic denials that God is "immanent > in" Nature or the Universes as maintained by both pantheism and panentheism. > Overlooking the instances of the latter in unpublished manuscripts (R 288, R > 843) is perhaps understandable, but his equally unambiguous reference to "One > Incomprehensible but Personal God, not immanent in but creating the universe" > (1907) appears in both CP (5.496) and EP (2:421). > > There were a few exchanges about this on the List back in 2016, when Brier > himself was still an active participant. In one of them, he admitted, "It is > clear that the concept of god in panentheism is not a personal god" > (https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2016-10/msg00263.html). Since > panentheism maintains that God is both impersonal and immanent, it is quite > obvious from Peirce's own testimony that he was not a panentheist, which Gary > R. has consistently acknowledged. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 9:23 AM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> This is a paper by an established Peircean scholar, Soren Brier, that Peirce >> was a panentheist. >> >> https://digitalcommons.ciis.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1181&context=ijts-transpersonalstudies > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] > with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in > the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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